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07-16-2019 , 03:30 PM
"still a really good promotion, just doesnt seem so random
/rant over"

I disagree. I would rather see a promotion with more skill involved, like being able to make quads or a straight flush.
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07-16-2019 , 04:01 PM
I'm really good at quads. Not so much at straight flushes.
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07-16-2019 , 05:01 PM
IIRC, MDLive had some folks questioning the repeat tables issue, and they used the Bravo system to "randomly" select.

Since we are only hearing of "that time it repeated" I can't posit whether what is happening is within the realm of mathematical reason. It sure does sound like back-back repeats are quite common, but that might be "normal." If someone has that data, they can see if the random generator is behaving like it's supposed to.

Assume 8 draws/day.

If the draw is among 10 tables, then on any given draw there's a 10% chance of repeating the last draw, or a 90% chance of no repeat. Each of those chances are independent, and there's 7 chances a day.

Thus, the odds of no repeat are (.90^7) = 48%. So, for a given day, there's a 52% chance of (at least 1) repeat!

For 20 tables: 30%
For 30 tables: 21%
For 40 tables: 16% of days will have a back-back draw hit.

I'm not smart enough to do the 3-peat case
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07-17-2019 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I'm really good at quads. Not so much at straight flushes.
Straight flushes are easy—just wait until the dealer gives you a suited connector then open jam blind.

You'll hit a straight flush ~70% of the time when you are called.


--klez
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07-17-2019 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
Johnny,

today we had the same table called for fri $500/$300 table promo. (actually happened twice for 2 different tables.)
that got me curious about what the record is for the same table being called?
I was at table 20, we hit at 9:15 and 11:15am. To your point I tend to see (or perceive seeing) the same table hit multiple times over new tables only hitting. I'm probably there 1-2 times a week, but someone always comments that once a table hits, it's "likelier" to hit, even the floor has said it.
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07-17-2019 , 02:29 PM
Looking at the schedule for upcoming PPO Event #1 with multi flight day 1 entries. I don't see when day 2 is scheduled for this event.

Is day 2 for event #1 what's listed as "Event #2" on Sunday July 28th at 12:00?

Looks like a lower guarantee for event #2 and it says '1 day event' so I guess that's a different event, but I don't see any start time/date for day 2 of Event #1 so wanted to clarify.

UPDATED EDIT: Researched a bit more and it looks like day 2 for event #1 starts at the exact same time/date as event #2 . Is this correct?

Last edited by Mr. Muckit; 07-17-2019 at 02:47 PM. Reason: read some fine print, but seems like this should be more clear
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07-17-2019 , 03:43 PM
Regarding lucky table drawings:

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Imagine a sequence of events. The events might be quarterly earnings or a string of good or bad dates set up through an Internet dating service. In each case the longer the sequence, or the more sequences you look at, the greater the probability that you’ll find every pattern imaginable—purely by chance. As a result, a string of good or bad quarters, or dates, need not have any “cause” at all. The point was rather starkly illustrated by the mathematician George Spencer-Brown, who wrote that in a random series of 101,000,007 zeroes and ones, you should expect at least 10 nonoverlapping subsequences of 1 million consecutive zeros.11 Imagine the poor fellow who bumps into one of those strings when attempting to use the random numbers for some scientific purpose. His software generates 5 zeros in a row, then 10, then 20, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, 500,000. Would he be wrong to send back the program and ask for a refund? And how would a scientist react upon flipping open a newly purchased book of random digits only to find that all the digits are zeros?

Spencer-Brown’s point was that there is a difference between a process being random and the product of that process appearing to be random.

Apple ran into that issue with the random shuffling method it initially employed in its iPod music players: true randomness sometimes produces repetition, but when users heard the same song or songs by the same artist played back-to-back, they believed the shuffling wasn’t random. And so the company made the feature “less random to make it feel more random,” said Apple founder Steve Jobs.12
Leonard Mlodinow. The Drunkard's Walk
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07-17-2019 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Eugeinus
I was at table 20, we hit at 9:15 and 11:15am. To your point I tend to see (or perceive seeing) the same table hit multiple times over new tables only hitting. I'm probably there 1-2 times a week, but someone always comments that once a table hits, it's "likelier" to hit, even the floor has said it.
Some people use this strategy with roulette, with no success.
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07-17-2019 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Muckit
Looking at the schedule for upcoming PPO Event #1 with multi flight day 1 entries. I don't see when day 2 is scheduled for this event.

Is day 2 for event #1 what's listed as "Event #2" on Sunday July 28th at 12:00?

Looks like a lower guarantee for event #2 and it says '1 day event' so I guess that's a different event, but I don't see any start time/date for day 2 of Event #1 so wanted to clarify.

UPDATED EDIT: Researched a bit more and it looks like day 2 for event #1 starts at the exact same time/date as event #2 . Is this correct?
I am unable to imagine why, but Tournaments that are advertised for this location sometimes/usually are missing details for day two, day 3, etc.
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07-17-2019 , 06:32 PM
Regarding lucky table drawings:

Floor today waited until 9:18am for a mic check to table draw, then waited until 9:20am to actually spin due to new players having to get chips at a new table. funny thing is as soon as they spun it the table broke from 6 to 2 players. luckily they didnt hit. but again, plz and ty can we get a on time drawing its not that hard and it happens so often.

how is this fair? can we please get a floor person to be on top of this, happens too often

Last edited by Dopey37; 07-17-2019 at 06:36 PM. Reason: EDIT: FWIW im no pro, and i play for fun so yes. the promotions do matter more to me than most.
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07-17-2019 , 06:58 PM
Table 3 just hit back-to-back and I'm pretty sure table 1 was back-to-back before that, although I'm not certain.

I quit poker
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07-17-2019 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by klezmaniac
Straight flushes are easy—just wait until the dealer gives you a suited connector then open jam blind.

You'll hit a straight flush ~70% of the time when you are called.


--klez
Not to nitpick, but I think you're rounding up a little.
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07-17-2019 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
I am unable to imagine why, but Tournaments that are advertised for this location sometimes/usually are missing details for day two, day 3, etc.
Structure sheets are posted on the website with complete details.
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07-17-2019 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Structure sheets are posted on the website with complete details.
I see that there is a day 1c for the main event that starts at 6pm on Saturday. Will the levels still be 50 minutes for that one? If so with 14 levels and 15 minute breaks the day would end at 6:40am. With a 3pm restart the same day for day two, I guess most people would not be happy with only 8 hours of break...
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07-17-2019 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlosChadha
I see that there is a day 1c for the main event that starts at 6pm on Saturday. Will the levels still be 50 minutes for that one? If so with 14 levels and 15 minute breaks the day would end at 6:40am. With a 3pm restart the same day for day two, I guess most people would not be happy with only 8 hours of break...
Anyone who would not be happy with only 8 hours of break should consider playing Day 1A or Day 1B.
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07-18-2019 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
Not to nitpick, but I think you're rounding up a little.
It happens every time… I swear.


--klez
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07-18-2019 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Eugeinus
I was at table 20, we hit at 9:15 and 11:15am. To your point I tend to see (or perceive seeing) the same table hit multiple times over new tables only hitting. I'm probably there 1-2 times a week, but someone always comments that once a table hits, it's "likelier" to hit, even the floor has said it.
It's almost certain for some table to hit >1/day if we're not talking back-to-back...

12 draws, 20 tables odds of a no-repeat day are only:

18/19*17/19*16/19...8/19 = (18!/7!) / (19^11) = 1.1%

Odds of no repeat within, say, 4 drawings (a player being there to witness during their session):

18/19*17/19*16/19*15/19 = 56%

In other words, this guy said it:
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
Regarding lucky table drawings:
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Leonard Mlodinow. The Drunkard's Walk
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07-18-2019 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
If possible I'd suggest seeing if the vendor can replace the units with USB-C ports instead of the 1996-style old USB-A ports. Almost every phone has adapted USB-C technology in 2019 and it offers 2-3x faster charge times. It's double sided so you can't ever plug it in upside down, it won't ever jiggle loose, and it's a smaller port taking up less space which is less likely to be damaged. You'd be future proofing your tables now as everything transitions to USB-C and you can just sell USB-C to USB-A adapters at the kiosk by the escalator if needed.
For Type C phones, only the connector that plugs into the phone has changed. The other end, Type-A, is the same. So you can plug your phone into any of the standard 5V outlets at the casino tables, and it will still charge, just at a slower rate than the higher voltage Type C system.
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07-18-2019 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ThomAce
For Type C phones, only the connector that plugs into the phone has changed. The other end, Type-A, is the same. So you can plug your phone into any of the standard 5V outlets at the casino tables, and it will still charge, just at a slower rate than the higher voltage Type C system.
My phone's rapid charger has type C at both ends of the cable. I do have a type A to type C cord as well, but it only slow charges with that one.
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07-18-2019 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy68
"still a really good promotion, just doesnt seem so random
/rant over".
Table 32 hit something like 3 out of 5 times today. I suppose the Lords of Bravo had moved on from Table 3.
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07-18-2019 , 07:57 PM
It’s amusing that this conversation is happening with people who are usually pretty good at math and should know that it’s normal for numbers to be called consecutively even if it’s “random”. If I sit down at a table that just hit I would hope I have just as good a chance of being picked as everyone else.
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07-18-2019 , 10:05 PM
true. On the upside I was dealt 84o five straight times and was completely unsurprised.
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07-19-2019 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jacmrose
It’s amusing that this conversation is happening with people who are usually pretty good at math and should know that it’s normal for numbers to be called consecutively even if it’s “random”. If I sit down at a table that just hit I would hope I have just as good a chance of being picked as everyone else.
I'm not surprised considering the number of people I see requesting a seat change because the 6 seat is "hot" or playing any hand with a 7 in it because 7s have been showing up on the flop a lot. It is like free money.

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true. On the upside I was dealt 84o five straight times and was completely unsurprised.
But you requested the dealer wash the cards, right?
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07-19-2019 , 10:52 AM
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true. On the upside I was dealt 84o five straight times and was completely unsurprised.
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Originally Posted by IQofTwoPlusTwo


But you requested the dealer wash the cards, right?
Washing the cards does not help. This is based on superstition.

Getting a new deck, and a new seat, is the solution to getting better cards.
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07-19-2019 , 06:36 PM
What collective delusion has suddenly overtaken this thread?
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