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Old 03-20-2019, 08:43 AM   #5651
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That's a shame. Guessing at $20++ per hour that a waitress probably clears; she's making more than the majority of poker players in the room. With only one waitress on a Friday night, maybe a few people called out sick - or else their scheduler is the same one who has only 2 cashiers working on Saturday afternoons.
LOL @ $20+ per hour. I know a waitress who works a poker room on the East coast and dated another several years ago. Each regularly cleared $400-600 on weekend nights. One full tray of 4 drinks and 4 waters to a table is a min of $8-10 and usually more.

I agree that poker players should be more aware of the situation and not blame the only cocktail waitress on the floor when service is slow. It is great information on their thought process however so even something as nonsensical as that can be exploited.
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:12 PM   #5652
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Anyone have an opinion on 9 handed? I notice higher wait lists...hard to say a little room is worth it from my limited play.
Here's a radical idea: schedule more dealers to open more games.
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Old 03-20-2019, 07:48 PM   #5653
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I gotta be honest, I think the 1-3 lists have been moving faster and the games are obviously way more comfortable. Even on weekend nights I haven't had a problem at all.

IMO this is an A+ decision for MGMNH.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:22 PM   #5654
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Can someone set me straight on this Big O stuff? Sorry to be a noob but I recently moved back from the West Coast and just want standard 4 card PLO. I feel weird just for saying 4 card.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:51 PM   #5655
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I've only played here about a dozen times and this place seems to have a weird schedule. When it's busy, it's crazy packed. But crowds also evaporate very quickly. It seems like a lot of people come for a few hours after work and disappear very quickly. I played here last Sunday late afternoon and they only had 4 tables of 2/5, mostly filled with regs.

How is the action during the week? Is it work coming down Monday/Tues/Wed/Thursday? Aside from Friday afternoon and Saturday, does it get busy on any other days?
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:10 AM   #5656
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Can someone set me straight on this Big O stuff? Sorry to be a noob but I recently moved back from the West Coast and just want standard 4 card PLO. I feel weird just for saying 4 card.


Pretty hard to find 4 card in MD poker anymore outside of some tournies. Mostly all 5 card PLO and Big O now. You can always start a list...


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Old 03-21-2019, 12:30 PM   #5657
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Can someone set me straight on this Big O stuff? Sorry to be a noob but I recently moved back from the West Coast and just want standard 4 card PLO. I feel weird just for saying 4 card.
Gotta go a little further north, Delaware Park is your best option for regular PLO. However, the game is big. 5/5 with $10 rock.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:37 PM   #5658
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Sorry if asked recently but, is there a poker rate here and how many required hours? Average or straight x # of hrs/nt? Thanks!
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:29 PM   #5659
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Sorry if asked recently but, is there a poker rate here and how many required hours? Average or straight x # of hrs/nt? Thanks!
No poker rate
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:32 PM   #5660
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OK I must have forgotten this arcane rule, but playing 2/5 the other day with a mandatory straddle I am BB and toss one green chip on top of my redbird and dealer announces call. I intended to raise and told him that immediately. Dealer immediately yells "floor!" (even though I told him he didn't have to do that, I was fine with just calling the $10).

Why is adding a green chip to a red chip in a straddle scenario a call? If I wanted to call, I simply would have thrown out another redbird.... It doesn't seem like the one chip rule because I am adding a chip to a chip already in the pot. In non-straddle contexts when I am BB and throw a green chip on top of my redbird without speaking it is obviously considered a raise.

Also, dealer was strangely stern/confrontational/raised his voice with me both after the "raise" and later when I reiterated that he didn't need to call the floor over. By the end of the interaction, I felt like I had been run over by a bus. At the end of the day, I know he was doing his job, it was mainly how brusque he was that turned me off.

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Old 03-23-2019, 10:10 PM   #5661
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You were facing a raise and you threw in one chip. It's a call. If you picked up your BB, added a green chip, and then threw them both into the pot it would be a raise. But you only threw in one chip. The one chip rule is not "arcane."

Your BB with no straddle situation doesn't apply as you are not facing a raise.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:24 PM   #5662
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OK I must have forgotten this arcane rule, but playing 2/5 the other day with a mandatory straddle I am BB and toss one green chip on top of my redbird and dealer announces call. I intended to raise and told him that immediately. Dealer immediately yells "floor!" (even though I told him he didn't have to do that, I was fine with just calling the $10).

Why is adding a green chip to a red chip in a straddle scenario a call? If I wanted to call, I simply would have thrown out another redbird.... It doesn't seem like the one chip rule because I am adding a chip to a chip already in the pot. In non-straddle contexts when I am BB and throw a green chip on top of my redbird without speaking it is obviously considered a raise.

Also, dealer was strangely stern/confrontational/raised his voice with me both after the "raise" and later when I reiterated that he didn't need to call the floor over. By the end of the interaction, I felt like I had been run over by a bus. At the end of the day, I know he was doing his job, it was mainly how brusque he was that turned me off.
Regarding the bolded quote, this is (maybe not obviously for some people) a call. When there is a straddle, or a small or big blind, the straddle or blind is no longer in your stack; it is part of the pot.

This concept is exactly the same as when, after the flop is dealt, you bet $15, someone else raises to $40, and when the action folds back to you, you toss forward a single $100 chip on top of the $15 that was already in the pot from your initial bet. This would obviously be a call.

When there is action to you, and you toss forward a single oversized chip, this is a call. In order for your action to be a raise, you could toss forward two or more chips, or, if you are not afraid to do so, you could say "Raise" before you toss forward a single oversized chip.

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Old 03-23-2019, 10:34 PM   #5663
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You were facing a raise and you threw in one chip. It's a call. If you picked up your BB, added a green chip, and then threw them both into the pot it would be a raise. But you only threw in one chip. The one chip rule is not "arcane."

Your BB with no straddle situation doesn't apply as you are not facing a raise.
When you say “you were facing a raise,” I’m assuming the raise you are referring to is the straddle? No one had raised before me.
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:07 AM   #5664
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Instead of “you were facing a raise” a better phrase would be "you had to put in more money/chips to continue the hand".
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Old 03-24-2019, 02:53 AM   #5665
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Didnt the floor explain this well-known one-chip rule when he was called over?
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:39 AM   #5666
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When you say “you were facing a raise,” I’m assuming the raise you are referring to is the straddle? No one had raised before me.
Correct, the straddle is a raise, just like the blinds.
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:49 AM   #5667
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You were facing a raise and you threw in one chip. It's a call. If you picked up your BB, added a green chip, and then threw them both into the pot it would be a raise. But you only threw in one chip. The one chip rule is not "arcane."

Your BB with no straddle situation doesn't apply as you are not facing a raise.
When you say "If you picked up your BB, added a green chip, and then threw them both into the pot it would be a raise" this in any established and accepted ruleset?

Sometimes people mean to call, and they toss both chips toward the dealer to make it easier for the dealer to reach them.
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:51 AM   #5668
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Correct, the straddle is a raise, just like the blinds.
The straddle is a blind, but neither is a raise.
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Old 03-24-2019, 01:39 PM   #5669
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When you say "If you picked up your BB, added a green chip, and then threw them both into the pot it would be a raise" this in any established and accepted ruleset?

Sometimes people mean to call, and they toss both chips toward the dealer to make it easier for the dealer to reach them.
In my BB example I did not pick up my BB and then throw both chips out. I threw a green chip on top of my BB when it was limped to me. This is a raise.

I guess I learned something new. Yes, the floor ruled it a call as well.

Rather than arcane, perhaps a better word to describe this situation would be counterintuitive.
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Old 03-24-2019, 09:29 PM   #5670
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In my BB example I did not pick up my BB and then throw both chips out. I threw a green chip on top of my BB when it was limped to me. This is a raise.

I guess I learned something new. Yes, the floor ruled it a call as well.

Rather than arcane, perhaps a better word to describe this situation would be counterintuitive.
You sound as if you still do not understand. If there was a straddle, and if you were in the big blind, you needed to add money to stay in the hand. You tossed forward an oversized chip.

This is a call.

I was playing at MGMNH a couple of months ago. A player silently added a $25 chip to his small blind. The dealer asked him if he wanted to call or raise. I said "It does not matter what he wanted to do. What he did is a call."

The dealer agreed. A floor person was requested, and one of the players who was not in the hand told me that he would bet me $15 that the floor person would rule this action as a raise. I instantly set aside $15 and reached out to shake his hand. We shook hands.

The floor person arrived, heard about what had happened, and ruled the action as a call.

Fortunately, the player who had bet me $15 instantly picked up $15 from his stack, brought it to me, and he said that he had learned something that day.

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Old 03-25-2019, 02:56 AM   #5671
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What is the rake in the 8/16 LHE game? Does this game go every day now?
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:30 PM   #5672
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You sound as if you still do not understand. If there was a straddle, and if you were in the big blind, you needed to add money to stay in the hand. You tossed forward an oversized chip.

This is a call.

I was playing at MGMNH a couple of months ago. A player silently added a $25 chip to his small blind. The dealer asked him if he wanted to call or raise. I said "It does not matter what he wanted to do. What he did is a call."

The dealer agreed. A floor person was requested, and one of the players who was not in the hand told me that he would bet me $15 that the floor person would rule this action as a raise. I instantly set aside $15 and reached out to shake his hand. We shook hands.

The floor person arrived, heard about what had happened, and ruled the action as a call.

Fortunately, the player who had bet me $15 instantly picked up $15 from his stack, brought it to me, and he said that he had learned something that day.
No I understand the ruling now. What I was saying was that if you are BB and it is limped around to you (no straddle) and you throw a green chip on top of your BB, it is considered a raise to $30.
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Old 03-25-2019, 10:17 PM   #5673
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promotions are getting worse, thought they may be better in april bc of the switch to 9 handed...bring back the 12:15am-10:15pm 100,300,500 high card lucky table promo thx
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Old 03-26-2019, 05:14 PM   #5674
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Anybody have a good rundown of the quality/value of the MGM restaurants? I'm finding little useful info online. Planning to use some comps on my wife who is coming for a show this weekend, so any recs appreciated.
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Old 03-26-2019, 05:21 PM   #5675
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Anybody have a good rundown of the quality/value of the MGM restaurants? I'm finding little useful info online. Planning to use some comps on my wife who is coming for a show this weekend, so any recs appreciated.


Tap-Food is very good in my experience. Very overpriced but easier to swallow if you are using comps. Often very loud/busy but probably my favorite spot. Great beer selection if you are into that

Fish-Went once thought it was fine, nothing special. I’m not huge into seafood so don’t really have a strong opinion on it.

Voltaggio Brothers-I have had mixed experiences here. By far the nicest restaurant on the property. Service has always been excellent. There have been times where the steak was unbelievable and times when I thought I could get a better steak at Outback. More often than not it has been good. I would recommend if you want steak, but it is very very expensive.

Ginger-Been here a few times, always left satisfied. No real complaints, just solid Chinese food.

I haven’t been to the new Italian place.

The food court is the best place to eat cheap, but outside shake shack I’m not overly impressed.

Snacks is snacks. I only eat it if I am too lazy to leave the poker table to go somewhere else.


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