Would love to discuss point 5..... is it your position that the reason the guarantee wasn’t made was that we had too few flights? What about the following year, same number of flights? Do you know th difference between the 2?

To the like four people who care about this non-issue (Trny/Cash promo $) please give it a break.
You are killing my buzz, and clogging up one of the best Casino Threads.

Can you all go back to bitching about table jumpers. That was at least constructive.

Officially on hiatus now until 2-2-19. No more responses until then.

Why is MGM doing these guaranteed tourneys? To benefit cash game players? Obviously not, it’s to bring in more revenue. Sure, you can argue it has the side effect of “making cash games better” but the bottom line is that MGM is taking funds out of the cash games pool and unfairly “redistributing it to the players” without consent or disclosure (Johnny didn’t tell us until we asked). Mismanaging money to line their pockets is akin to fraudulent behavior even if it’s technically “legal”. Whether cash game players should be okay with this can be up for debate. Maybe as a cash game player I don’t like playing with tournament players who short buy and jump in and out of the games. I don’t care about the players the tournament brings in and don’t want to share my $1 with them.

You can bet there's a hell of a lot that would care if they knew about it. How many MGM cash game players do you think know about it? My bet is other than people reading this thread its less than 1% and hardly anyone reading this thread knew about it ether until Johnny told everyone here.

Not only that but the only reason Johnny told everyone here was that he promised the guarantee in a tourney wouldnt be cancelled....then cancelled it....and then he tried to make MGM look good by saying cancelling the guarantee wasnt to protect the house, and he gave the reason why. THAT is what let the cat out of the bag. Otherwise hardly anyone would ever know.

I dont play at MGM (I dont live in the area but have played there a couple times), but I know my room has done the same thing and if nobody says anything, it will never stop.

I bet if a floor got on the microphone and made an announcement and explained this policy, a lot more than 4 people would suddenly start caring.

MGM is a great room and I think Johnny does a great job...but this policy is BS.

JG,

You know I love the room and I am always up for a healthy debate.

I am just citing an example, it may or may not apply to every series we run.

It seems the wifi has been down in the poker room for a few days, however I found it worked well in the food court today. Has anyone else had problems?

Not really. June 2017, lots of discussion about this was had, starting here:

Short deck list has 1 player on it. Come and get it suckers.

I wonder who this guy is who brought it out for the first time.

No. I see no problem with it.

'As far as your concerned' and actuals are two different things to the promo funds its promo funds. Any expectation is entitlement tilt. Fair use is dictated with gaming regs. Would you be happier if they charged an admin fee? Or used the funds not in $ givebacks, but in buffets, advertising, promoted off hours when you are a daytime reg? or other obfuscated promo schemes.

Its a poker business, they are collecting funds for promotions and promoting to get players in the door. They allocate funds for a variety of promotions accross their product line. They tweak it over time based on what works and what doesn"t. They have opted not to have separate tourney and cash funds.

Dunno why you feel entitled that $ 4 $ you get a shot back at that money once collected. Boy I wish I got $4$ back what I pay in taxes.

Play tourneys more. Apparently there are regular overlays there.

What’s legal and what’s ethical don’t even come close to overlapping in a lot of areas, including this one.

no problem, Johnny. Enjoy your time off and congrats on your new family. All the best.

You're not making much sense here.

Its entitlement tilt to expect all the cash game promo money to be paid back to cash game players? Tourney players have their own promos that cash game players cant win

Fair use is NOT dictated by gaming regulations. Fair use is dictated by what society (in this case a large group of poker players) would think is fair. Gaming regulations regulate what is legal and Im sure this practice is legal but it sure isnt fair.

Would I be happier if they charged an admin fee? For what? If theres going to be an admin fee charged to cover shortages in tourney guarantees it should be charged to tourney players.

I have known about this for a long time, so I’d take a considerable over to 1 per cent.

Me too. The facts are these:

1. It's not likely to change
2. It's s common practice...Maybe even standard.
3. I've won way more in overlays than I've paid into cash games promos, so suck on that ya bunch of whiners.

MGM uses 100% of the promo fund for

*drumroll*

PROMOTIONS. WITH THE INTENT OF BRINGING IN MORE REVENUE.

They take money from the saturday crowd and redistribute it to the monday morning crowd too. Thats its exact desired purpose. If the purpose was for those $2/hand to go back to the exact player who put the money in, they just wouldnt charge a promo drop.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Rapini is 100% correct.

Also, this:
Just please not more of this:
I dunno; when about 90% of the posts itt are complaints about one thing or another - usually the same issue over and over and over and over and over - it's a boring and depressing read. No matter how many things people find to criticize about the room, trust me, driving 4 hours each way to AC for a legal game was much, much worse.

The amount of entitled people in this thread is insane. Imagine complaining about a casino taking your money. If you don't like how JG runs the room, take your money else where.

Well in that case why not make the 5/10+NL and Omaha games eligible for the promotion too to bring in more players? Reserving the "promotion funds" for the player pool who contributed doesn't seem to be an important concern to Johnny and some of you here. Having more high limit action would certainly be good for the MGMNH's image and bottom line. 5/10+NL and Omaha players will play 2/5NL and 1/3NL sometimes too!

LET'S DO IT

More false equivalence out of you. Tournament players contribute to the promo pool.

They just contribute less than they receive, just like the weekday crowd, and the morning crowd, anf the middle of the night crowd. You can split the players who contribute to the promo pool however youd like, and one group will gain, and the other group will lose, because the system is not meant to give everyone the exact same number of dollars back.

I play 5/T when theres no promo going, and play 2/5 when a good promo is going. Thus I contribute far less than i earn from the promo pool.

Haha awful (and inaccurate) post.

I recommend that those opposed to the commingling of tournament and cash promotion funds make better use of their time by informing the "99%" of cash players who allegedly are blissfully unaware of the practice and organizing a boycott of rooms that practice such commingling. You also should bring your concerns to the Maryland Gaming Commission because as long as it's legal and it's good business, Johnny can (and should) do it. So focus on changing one of those two facts, i.e., that it's legal and good business.

Laws of Economics are a lot like Laws of Physics.

Lots of griping about how they tend to work, but practically based solutions to change reality continues to elude would be solutioners.

My go to Casino years ago used Part of Promo Fund to pay for the Donuts and weekly Buffet. Also used it to pay for printing the flyers and basically anything else that Promoted the Poker Room.

JG stated 100% goes back to players - which to me is amazing!
What is policy at MDL & BHS?
I suspect MGM is either at least on Par or more likely better then MDL & BHS.

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IMO - (I know this will never happen) But I wish there was no Promo Drop at all. Keep the money on Table. Say over a five hour session about 150 hands, adds up to a lot of dough trickled off the Table. And just for a chance to luckbox a hot seat.
I would rather keep the cash on Table. I like my chances of winning a part of that extra 300 bucks better then I expect to luckbox a high hand.