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12-16-2016 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dmvev3
Isn't throwing one chip out after another player bets generally considered a call? How do other casinos handle this "one chip rule"?

seems problematic...

Won't players angle by throwing one chip, wait for reaction, then make a decision? Many players unaware may expose their hand after being "called" by one chip.


am I missing something here?
This is not a rule. Some people starting doing it, others saw it, and they started doing it.

A rhetorical question that I have is: If you are not angle-shooting or cheating, why do you not just say "Call" instead of tossing forward an undersized chip?
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12-17-2016 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
This is not a rule. Some people starting doing it, others saw it, and they started doing it.

A rhetorical question that I have is: If you are not angle-shooting or cheating, why do you not just say "Call" instead of tossing forward an undersized chip?
Wanna see a great illustration of why this is such a bad practice? Look at the recent situation from WPT Bellagio involving 1 chip bet and call. Doesn't happen if you make the pot right...
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12-17-2016 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Wanna see a great illustration of why this is such a bad practice? Look at the recent situation from WPT Bellagio involving 1 chip bet and call. Doesn't happen if you make the pot right...
Why what is such a bad practice? Calling with an undersized chip? If so, I agree.

If you are going to correct the pot before declaring a winner, silently calling with one chip means nothing.
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12-17-2016 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Havax
I find the opposite to be true. A tanking player getting to see a card helps him reach his decision faster. If it doesn't speed up the game, it's a least negligible.
This discussion reminds me of the dumbest play I have ever seen in poker. It happened at Dover Downs. The pot was huge, it was heads up, and the player with two small pairs was taking a very long time deciding whether to call a sizeable bet after the river. Then his opponent showed him an ace. Well, there was no possible flush or straight on the board and no pair. Thus, the best possible hand his opponent could have was two aces. Heh...heh...guess who won the pot?
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12-17-2016 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
Why what is such a bad practice? Calling with an undersized chip? If so, I agree.

If you are going to correct the pot before declaring a winner, silently calling with one chip means nothing.
Betting or calling with one chip is just a big angle and accomplishes nothing but wasting time. Whether the chips are counted before or after the river doesn't matter. They must eventually be counted....
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12-17-2016 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Havax
I find the opposite to be true. A tanking player getting to see a card helps him reach his decision faster. If it doesn't speed up the game, it's a least negligible.
You need to be calling the clock in this situation, not flipping over cards.
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12-17-2016 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
This is not a rule. Some people starting doing it, others saw it, and they started doing it.

A rhetorical question that I have is: If you are not angle-shooting or cheating, why do you not just say "Call" instead of tossing forward an undersized chip?
if it's not a call then what could it possibly be?
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12-17-2016 , 03:45 AM
How long till the "hype" dies down you guys think? Not a fan of the long waiting lists :/ I realize its friday night, the 2nd weekend its been open it isn't going to be perfect btw..
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12-17-2016 , 04:55 AM
Wanted to add that the cashier line is still brutal. 3:30am when we got in line with only one window open. 20 minute or so wait.
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12-17-2016 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Betting or calling with one chip is just a big angle and accomplishes nothing but wasting time. Whether the chips are counted before or after the river doesn't matter. They must eventually be counted....
I agree. I am sorry if you thought that I thought otherwise.
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12-17-2016 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
if it's not a call then what could it possibly be?
When the bettor shows a better hand, the person who tossed forward a one dollar chip could say that he is tipping the dealer.
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12-17-2016 , 09:49 AM
Please be careful if you're heading to/from MGM this morning, the roads are a show. I walked across the street to get a bagel and it was a solid glaze on the road. Was going to finally head over this morning but it will have to wait

BTW I think its worth noting that the room has barely been open a week and Johnny appears to be immediately on top of anything thats come up in the thread. I think this is an unbelievably positive sign for the long term success of the room.
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12-17-2016 , 09:49 AM
Saw a lot more dealers enforcing the big chip rule, A++++ for that


I even had a floor guy tell someone at my table to pull off their hoodie!
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12-17-2016 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
The main reason why is because poker is an audio and a visual game. Player may make mistakes by imcorrectly calling a betting amount. We have to allow that mistake to happen. It's an advantage for those who pay attention, or ask if unclear.
I'm on board with this in theory, but in practice I must say it's getting frustrating and often slowing the game down. Many pairs of players at a table a) do not have strong enough vision to count each other's bet sizes from across the table and b) never ever verbalize their own bets. "How much is that?" became the slogan of our game last night.
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12-17-2016 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by repulse
I'm on board with this in theory, but in practice I must say it's getting frustrating and often slowing the game down. Many pairs of players at a table a) do not have strong enough vision to count each other's bet sizes from across the table and b) never ever verbalize their own bets. "How much is that?" became the slogan of our game last night.
Let's let this develop for a few weeks... if it becomes problematic, we can address. I am trying to find the sweet spot that keeps the games running smoothly, but also meets game protection goals... our staff is in the process of learning how to operate the space, operate with support departments, and oversee the games the way our players want. We will get there.
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12-17-2016 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dcmidnight
Please be careful if you're heading to/from MGM this morning, the roads are a show. I walked across the street to get a bagel and it was a solid glaze on the road. Was going to finally head over this morning but it will have to wait

BTW I think its worth noting that the room has barely been open a week and Johnny appears to be immediately on top of anything thats come up in the thread. I think this is an unbelievably positive sign for the long term success of the room.
+1. No need to risk an accident. Be safe. We always open, so we will be here when the roads clear up.
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12-17-2016 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU
Saw a lot more dealers enforcing the big chip rule, A++++ for that


I even had a floor guy tell someone at my table to pull off their hoodie!
Communicating procedural issues will improve. I stressed to the staff that we would need to be proactive on these 2 issues. We aren't perfect, but we are improving.
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12-17-2016 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Communicating procedural issues will improve. I stressed to the staff that we would need to be proactive on these 2 issues. We aren't perfect, but we are improving.
I saw dealers enforce the big-chip rule as well -- so your efforts appear to be paying off. I didn't see anyone with a hoodie up, either (which in my book is a good thing).

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12-17-2016 , 12:34 PM
I love this place. I have been almost every day this week (50 hours) LOL. The room is gorgeous and I only have a few gripes about the whole casino.

1. The cocktail service is slow, and needs to be spruced up. Possibly add some craft beer to the list as well like IPA's and some Irish reds. It would also be nice if you could pay for a drink on your players card as the prices are pretty high. $8 coronas is a little steep when you are also gambling. I probably have $100 in comps already and can only spend them on food which I rarely do.

2. Some of the new dealers need some practice. They are a tad slow, but with time they should do fine. I've only seen like 3 dealers that were slow and it was slightly tilting, as I think I might of seen 10 hands total in one of the dealers 30 minute sit.

3. Every time a dealer sits down they have to double count the well with all the cash. I would suggest having new players buy from the cashier instead of at the table so the well doesn't fill up with cash immediately. Also chip runners would be helpful, which i'm sure you are already aware of.
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12-17-2016 , 01:16 PM
I haven't seen any Mixed Games like (Omaha, Raaz, Stud and Stud Hi/Low) OR HORSE OR OE. I am planning to start a game like 8/16 or 10/20. Are any players interested.
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12-17-2016 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by repulse
I'm on board with this in theory, but in practice I must say it's getting frustrating and often slowing the game down. Many pairs of players at a table a) do not have strong enough vision to count each other's bet sizes from across the table and b) never ever verbalize their own bets. "How much is that?" became the slogan of our game last night.
My table was the same thing, it felt like every time someone raised or bet, the other side of the table had to ask how much the bet was.
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12-17-2016 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by YouJustMadeTheList
Hopefully soon you will be able to conveniently ask a supervisor to print out that $8 comp for you. Customer service at its best!
Or even better, if you play longer, you can ask for more! Thanks for spreading the love!!!
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12-17-2016 , 03:29 PM
Johnny,

Thanks for being quick to respond on the thread.

Any chance the room will get a kiosk to sign in for games?
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12-17-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Yes. Dealers, supervisors, and game attendants.
I realize this isn't a recruitment thread but two quick questions. What experience would my wife need to be a game attendant? I'm sure she wouldn't be able to play there but would it affect me aswell?
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12-17-2016 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dmvev3
Johnny,

Thanks for being quick to respond on the thread.

Any chance the room will get a kiosk to sign in for games?
A very good chance. Have been discussing with the Dir. Of IT this week. I would say we are an 80/20 favorite.
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