Make all the PLO games 30-second max. Make all the 4/8 and 1/3 games 15-second max.

And if there were a way to give everyone an extra time bank that has 30 seconds in it initially and adds 10 seconds per down played, that would be perfect. Can't imagine that's possible though.

I wouldn’t convert all the games. I would start with a handful of tables so people can choose what style they want to play. Sometimes I’m in the mood for a slower more social game, but there are also times when I’m playing a short session and would love a shot clock to get more hands in.

15 seconds is also too short for 1/3. I would say 30 seconds minimum. You can still get in some pretty big spots in the 1/3 games at MGM. But getting rid of people take a minute tanking over a $40 3 bet would be amazing.


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I personally think shot clocks will make tournies play faster and cash games play slower. Would love to be wrong tho...

I tend to think shot clocks will slow down cash no limit games unless the time is set really short.

Kill me now.

I do think that it would be naturally good fit for fixed limit games, including the higher stakes mixed games.

I'd say, start with 3x 30 second timebank chips and give out 1 per down. That's definitely erring towards the high side but want to keep players happy when rolling out this change. In the future can decrease how often the time banks are given and how many you start with. Some interesting questions surrounding whether or not you can take the chips with you when you leave the game...if so, can they be transferred; if not, players just putting in short sessions are at a disadvantage unless starting with a sizable number of timebank chips.

Ugh, I think players will like to see the counter go up and up on every street. Net time wasted will only go up.

JG- I would say start with one table of 5-10 during the week and start with 2 time bank chips and add one every down (I would say one every two downs but the "leg-up" lammers prob would get confusing). Since 5-10 is time-raked no one will complain that X only got here 5 minutes ago and gets an extra time-bank chiip, when the dealers change, like I could foresee happening at 2-5, also with 5-10 being one table mid-week you wouldn't have to worry about if the time-bank chips tranfer, like Zoog stated above... after a week have your floors talk to the regs about the implementation, and iterate... alternately you could try at 2-5 mid-week day shift, my reasoning being that you don't want to make poker any more intimidating for recs especially at lower stakes...

Honestly though I don't think tanking is that big of a problem in cash games (tourneys though...)

Look at a timer and see how long 15 seconds is. How often does it legitimately take you more than 15 seconds to know what you're going to do? I MIGHT have two decisions per session (usually 4-10 hours) that take me more than 10 seconds. That's at 1/3 or 2/2 mostly with some 2/5 thrown in.

I wasn’t here when it hit, but the BBJ just got paid out on a 2/5 table. Royal flush vs quad aces is what I’m told.

Oh does that qualify?


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It does. Quad 7’s is the qualifier.

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Lol at time chips. How long til a new player sits down and dumps a bunch in the table with his chips.


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Is it easy for the dealer to manipulate the shotclock timer? As in would it be easy for them to set the flop timer for 15 second decisions, turn 30 seconds, and river 1 minute?

Overall I hope this doesn't become standard for all cash games. I think it takes away from the spirit of the game and intimidates the casual rec player. 2/5 and 5/T move pretty swiftly as is save a few bad tanking apples. 1/3 is miserably slow though so I wouldn't blame 1/3 regs for wanting this.

If it is offered with cash it should always work as a separate list as a separate game for whatever stake it is. I think the Isle in Florida has this option with the game listed as "turbo".

+1, thanks.

My suggestion is this: Experiment in a small scale. See what it works, what doesn't, take feedback.

Rec players go to the casino to play poker, relax, and have fun, not to risk a bunch of money under the pressure of a clock. If you want to scare away inexperienced players, shot clocks are a perfect way to do it. It's also important to note that professional players will be MUCH better at decision making while on a timer, which will create a more advantageous environment for them and harm the health of the player pool in the long term.

The best games I've been in were naturally much slower because every pot was large and multiway. I fail to see how a shot clock will be a good thing for game quality.

They also come to get hands,play hands and gamble. not sit w/their face in their hands as somebody tanks over a $30 river bet..... then watch another staredown as the better and caller try baiting each other into showing their hand 1st. But I digress



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This doesn't happen as much as people say it does, at least not at 2/5.

The showdown staredown is irritating, but it's solved only by dealers, not by clocks.

10 of our 46 games have the clocks. There are here on a trial basis. We will experiment with the clocks to see if they are useful/profitable, then make a decision based on the data. It should be obvious that we do everything we can to be sure that we have good action in our games.

In the smaller games the problem is not the tanking the problem is not paying attention....

That is not correct. I play at the Isle every day and have never seen or heard of that.

As someone who has played 100+ hours at 1/3, 2/5 and 5/T, i would say 2/5 is the clear favorite to implement a shot clock.

1/3 has many legitimately new players, and extremely casual players. The games are slow because the players are bad. If they brought their $100-500 to fake tank from time to time and act like a big shot more power to them. Dont like all the screwery at 1/3? Put more money down and play 2/5. I honestly think this would be such a disaster since 1/3 should be where brand new players are coming, and youre taking a game that is already very hrd to get into and adding another layer of complication.

5/T ive found to be played at a good clip, esp due to time rake. I think a shot clock is fine but wouldnt have much of an effect on the game, and especially if youre including time banks, its gonna just add unnecessary complication, but sure, wouldnt bother me.

2/5 is filled with tryhardy pros and wannabe pros that love to tank on what they should do when their cold 4 bet bluff gets 5 bet by a fish with aces. The fish for the most part arent the ones wasting all the time.

Also Triton Poker on twitch had shot clock short deck tourneys that are worth watching to get a gauge on timeframes. 30 seconds is about right. It beeps with like 5 seconds left and then again after 30 s has passed. A shorter timeframe would cause constant warning beeps, even if most decisions dont take the full 30 seconds. The purpose of the shot clock isnt to hurry along every decision and make the pace of play strangling, its just to curb some of the worst tanking.

As far as time banks, time bank should add 1 minute. Its rare that a decision requires 30 more seconds and not a minute, and the constant beeping has got to be sort of distracting. In the couple of tourneys i watched, id say every time a timebank was used, at least 2 were used 90%+ of the time.

I have limited tourney experience myself but seems like tourneys have way more fake tanking BS and way fewer tough decisions so seems like a much better fit.

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Fully agree with not implementing this at 1/3 for these reasons. Not enough experience at higher stakes to know what's best there though.