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At the risk of beating an inane topic to death. Playing a session this morning there were a lot of people with their hoodies up. I counted 5 from where I was seated without even looking at the whole room or turning to look behind me. I wanted to see how long it would take for the hoodie police to get them to comply with the rules. Hours passed, and when I left the same people had their hoodies up. Not like they were hiding. To have a goofy rule that is arbitrarily enforced is just going to cause consternation. IMHO consistency is important if you're going to do this.

agreed. which is why I have asked our entire staff to police this. It will become more evident moving forward.

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12-16-2016 , 03:45 PM

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JohnnyGroomsTD

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Originally Posted by FlipRacer

Thank you for the reply Johnny! So I imagine if a calling mistake is made the player will not be allowed to take their chips back and will have to continue with the hand, and this will be strictly enforced.

Here's an example that happens all the time... players not fully paying attention limping in not realizing a raise was made. Will they now be forced to put in the full bet?

Or how about this scenario... Player A bets $25 on the flop. Player B made a raise with a single $100 chip. Player C, not paying attention, sees the single chip, assumes a call, and then only puts in $25. Will player C be forced to put in $100 for his mistake?

It depends. We reserve the right to apply the "gross misunderstanding of bet sizing" principle as worded in Robert's rules of poker

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12-16-2016 , 03:47 PM

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JohnnyGroomsTD

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Originally Posted by Alsafah7

By "no promotions until February" does that mean that the bad beat jackpot is also not running? I would assume it is since the players are paying into the jackpot anyway.

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Bad beat jackpot is active. Its close to 15K right now. Quad 7's beaten by a better hand. Both cards must play. Kicker must tie or beat the board. Pocket pair not necessary if its quads.....

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12-16-2016 , 03:53 PM

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JohnnyGroomsTD

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Originally Posted by borg23

It's idiotic and for some reason MGM does it at all of their poker rooms. I hope the Borgata doesn't switch to this nonsense. Their was a discussion on here a few months before the place opened and we were told it was a chance to "provide great customer service" which makes no sense. It's an unnecessary step and waste of time nobody wants.

Sometimes I have trouble understanding a player's position. Especially when it's subtle and not to the point. Could you perhaps clarify?

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12-16-2016 , 03:54 PM

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JohnnyGroomsTD

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Originally Posted by kingofsports

On a week night, when a lot of people work the next day, what time is the time most people leave and cash out? Probably 11:30pm-1:30am. During this time last night, there was only one cashier window.

Agreed. the cage team and I have implemented a few things that should reduce wait times tremendously. Lets see how things work out over the weekend.

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12-16-2016 , 04:16 PM

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WPT

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I was there Friday until Tuesday and the cashiers didn't have bill counters. They also took full stacks out of the racks to break them down and count them. If they get bill counters and use the racks to count it would help a lot.

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12-16-2016 , 04:42 PM

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Havax

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Please allow players to show one card when heads up. Makes the game more fun and there is literally no good argument for banning this.

Last edited by Havax; 12-16-2016 at 04:58 PM.

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12-16-2016 , 05:39 PM

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kingofsports

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD

Agreed. the cage team and I have implemented a few things that should reduce wait times tremendously. Lets see how things work out over the weekend.

Excellent to hear! Really appreciate how timely you are responding to concerns on here. Will see how things go tomorrow when I play.

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12-16-2016 , 05:53 PM

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Rapini

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Originally Posted by Havax

Please allow players to show one card when heads up. Makes the game more fun and there is literally no good argument for banning this.

It's obnoxious.
It wastes time.
I'm happy to have the rule at MGMNH.

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12-16-2016 , 05:57 PM

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JohnnyGroomsTD

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Originally Posted by Havax

Please allow players to show one card when heads up. Makes the game more fun and there is literally no good argument for banning this.

Yes, there is. Players at opposite ends of the table often prematurely expose their hands when this happens. There is no good that comes from this....

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12-16-2016 , 06:18 PM

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Havax

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD

Yes, there is. Players at opposite ends of the table often prematurely expose their hands when this happens. There is no good that comes from this....

I'm talking about heads-up situations only. Recreational players love being able to show a card or being able to see one upon request. It keeps the game fun and lively. I've literally never seen anyone prematurely expose their hand prematurely heads-up because someone decided to show a card. Take a poll you'll find the vast majority agree with me. They allow it at Live.

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12-16-2016 , 06:22 PM

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Oatmeal1

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Originally Posted by Havax

What happens to the hand if a card is exposed?

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12-16-2016 , 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Havax

Seen it literally at least 50 times. Player a bets, Player B exposes to get a read. Player A thinks its a call and tables their hand...... Bad news...

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12-16-2016 , 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD

Seen it literally at least 50 times. Player a bets, Player B exposes to get a read. Player A thinks its a call and tables their hand...... Bad news...

A player (who is facing a bet) exposing their hand makes someone else table theirs thinking that's a call? That makes no sense. Anglers should be punished and so should stupidity.

Current rule is you get a warning and then the next time you show a card your hand is declared dead. Bad rule. Bad for the game.

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12-16-2016 , 06:46 PM

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Rapini

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Originally Posted by Havax

Saves time. Less confusion. Good rule. Good for the game.

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12-16-2016 , 07:24 PM

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Zero2Hero13

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD

Agreed. As stated multiple times in this thread, we are working on a companywide fix. I really don't like paying a supervisor their salary to stand around and print comps all day. We are working on it.

Are you hiring?

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12-16-2016 , 07:26 PM

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Hunt4Sky

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Originally Posted by Havax

Sorry man. It IS bad policy to allow this. I can recall a lot of times someone thinking they were being cute and exposing a card only to find out someone was still left to act behind or as JG says flips card and other player mistakes it for a call. The angler would be the one showing one card......

Same thing applies to someone talking for ten minutes..."Will you show?" "What if I shove?" "Why so much?" I hate all the jabbering....take an appropriate amount of time to think it through and get on with it.

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12-16-2016 , 07:40 PM

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Mr.K

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Just to add another data point about how the 1/3 games are playing, here are the stack sizes at my table right now:
350, 700, 315, 75, 330, 1450, 125, 675, 400.

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12-16-2016 , 07:42 PM

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Mr Sandbag

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The comp system isn't as bad as it sounds. Of course it'd be way better to be able to print a voucher from a kiosk or just swipe an MLife card at the desired restaurant, but I walked up, asked for a voucher, and got one right away. It's not a big deal.

The cashier cage on the other hand...excruciating almost every day this week.

As for parking, I hope it remains free for casino patrons. The policy at my local casino is 1 hour of poker play = free parking. Higher tier members get it free automatically. Seems to work fine. Supervisors are flexible enough to give vouchers to players who get felted before they've played the full hour.

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12-16-2016 , 07:44 PM

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JeffroSTL

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Are we still picking tacky nits? If so, please opt in to seat change buttons before two drunks start punching each other over who called it first, or before two OMCs flip out because they opened the table and they ALWAYS get the first seat change.

That or change to a horseshoes-esque chip toss.

I busted my second buy in and left before saying thanks for addressing the chip burying yesterday morning, Johnny. Nice to (very briefly) meet you.

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12-16-2016 , 07:48 PM

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ZippyThePinhead

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Originally Posted by Mr.K

Just to add another data point about how the 1/3 games are playing, here are the stack sizes at my table right now:
350, 700, 315, 75, 330, 1450, 125, 675, 400.

Thanks. Which is yours?

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12-16-2016 , 10:05 PM

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Havax

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Saves time. Less confusion. Good rule. Good for the game.

I find the opposite to be true. A tanking player getting to see a card helps him reach his decision faster. If it doesn't speed up the game, it's a least negligible.

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12-16-2016 , 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero2Hero13

Are you hiring?

Yes. Dealers, supervisors, and game attendants.

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12-16-2016 , 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Havax

I find the opposite to be true. A tanking player getting to see a card helps him reach his decision faster. If it doesn't speed up the game, it's a least negligible.

This isn't close. Glad the rule is as it is, and my experience is consistent with JohnnyGroomsTD