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Old 04-15-2018, 07:55 PM   #3951
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

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Old 04-16-2018, 12:09 AM   #3952
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

Playing in a game last night when this hand happens:

UTG, UTG+1 limp, I raise, SB, BB, and both limpers call. Flop comes out, SB leads and it folds to me. With maybe 2-3 seconds of hesitation, I am grabbing chips to put in a raise but when I look up the board has been mucked and the pot is already being shipped to SB. Flop was easy to remember and stub was still in tact, but the folded cards and flop had been mixed together.

What is the standard procedure for this at MGM?

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Old 04-16-2018, 04:11 PM   #3953
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

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Playing in a game last night when this hand happens:

UTG, UTG+1 limp, I raise, SB, BB, and both limpers call. Flop comes out, SB leads and it folds to me. With maybe 2-3 seconds of hesitation, I am grabbing chips to put in a raise but when I look up the board has been mucked and the pot is already being shipped to SB. Flop was easy to remember and stub was still in tact, but the folded cards and flop had been mixed together.

What is the standard procedure for this at MGM?

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Whenever you get a ruling that you are fairly certain is wrong, and especially if handled this poorly, tell the dealer you want to speak to the supervisor. If the floor who just pulled this IS the supervisor, you're just out of luck. Despite the rule in most rulebooks that the ruling of the floor is final, this does not mean you have to settle for the ruling of the first floor. If they are not the person in charge of the entire room at that time, you can likely go over their heads for another ruling. Just please don't waste everybody's time if the ruling is a "judgment" call (e.g., was the way a player bet a string-raise, or a legit raise?). A good supervisor is not going to overrule a judgment call unless it is really bad.

Any ruling that tells players to chop the pot is almost certain to be a wrong ruling. I suspect Johnny will want to find out from you who this floor was, if you know their name or can adequately describe them. It sounds like they need some more training, or some retraining.

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Old 04-16-2018, 08:49 PM   #3954
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

When players are involved in hands, they should pay attention to the game at all times. If the dealer is in the process of awarding a pot when there are two or more players still in the hand, the other player(s) should speak up loudly.

As far as the following quote is concerned:
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The dealer said that he didn't see my cards, which is fair because I have big hands.
Players have a responsibility to keep their cards visible, while protecting their hands (with (a) chip(s) or other card protector).
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:56 AM   #3955
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Whenever you get a ruling that you are fairly certain is wrong, and especially if handled this poorly, tell the dealer you want to speak to the supervisor. If the floor who just pulled this IS the supervisor, you're just out of luck. Despite the rule in most rulebooks that the ruling of the floor is final, this does not mean you have to settle for the ruling of the first floor. If they are not the person in charge of the entire room at that time, you can likely go over their heads for another ruling. Just please don't waste everybody's time if the ruling is a "judgment" call (e.g., was the way a player bet a string-raise, or a legit raise?). A good supervisor is not going to overrule a judgment call unless it is really bad.

Any ruling that tells players to chop the pot is almost certain to be a wrong ruling. I suspect Johnny will want to find out from you who this floor was, if you know their name or can adequately describe them. It sounds like they need some more training, or some retraining.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Thanks for the reply. I should have definitely asked to speak to the supervisor and will keep that in mind going forward.

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When players are involved in hands, they should pay attention to the game at all times. If the dealer is in the process of awarding a pot when there are two or more players still in the hand, the other player(s) should speak up loudly.

As far as the following quote is concerned:


Players have a responsibility to keep their cards visible, while protecting their hands (with (a) chip(s) or other card protector).
I was paying attention. In the time that I looked down to grab chips the dealer had mucked the board. It was literally 2 seconds as I was deciding on how many chips to grab. As soon as I saw, I spoke up. The board was 100% retrievable and at least two of the players said the flop out loud because it was easy to remember.

To your second point- I do. My cards are always kept in front of my chip stack with a chip on top of them. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the tables at MGM but there is a betting line around the table. My cards are always going to be basically right in the middle of the space between my chips and the line. Never tucked under my hand or chips and never off to the side. The only time my cards would be out of this position would be when I'm viewing them after just getting them or if I'm re-checking them before making a big decision. I've been playing live poker for nearly a decade and this is literally the first time something of this nature has happened to me.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:03 AM   #3956
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my favorite part of playing here was how easy it was to make new friends
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:06 PM   #3957
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Playing in a game last night when this hand happens:

UTG, UTG+1 limp, I raise, SB, BB, and both limpers call. Flop comes out, SB leads and it folds to me. With maybe 2-3 seconds of hesitation, I am grabbing chips to put in a raise but when I look up the board has been mucked and the pot is already being shipped to SB. Flop was easy to remember and stub was still in tact, but the folded cards and flop had been mixed together.

What is the standard procedure for this at MGM?

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Will investigate and get back to you. 99.9% of the time, chopping a pot is not the right decision. As far a standard procedure goes, there are a lot of "it depends" answers. The level of certainty on the muck/stub/folded cards, the timing, any verbalizations, etc...
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:02 PM   #3958
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

Is the room wifi broken or is it working correctly? It seems to work for about 5 minutes and than cut off and on, extremely annoying
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:49 PM   #3959
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Working fine AFAIK.... will find out from IT if there are issues.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:25 PM   #3960
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If the new room doesn't have proper space for floor to answer phone calls, it would be unforgivable. And please allow call-ins. It's long overdue.
callins are not a positive feature though
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:00 PM   #3961
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I'm thankful for all the great friendships and memories I have had here these past few months. I've grinded LA, Miami and Vegas and you guys have been the best. From the strategy talk, to "Thirsty Thursdays" barking at cuties in downtown with the poker squad, I'll never forget you all.. gl for the rest of the year lfg!
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:02 PM   #3962
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callins are not a positive feature though


I can only imagine how long the 1-3 list would be with call ins.


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Old Yesterday, 12:47 AM   #3963
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

The bathrooms near the poker room haven't had urinal cakes most of the time for a while now. The green apple scent was very preferable to the scent in there now.
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Old Yesterday, 12:16 PM   #3964
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Re: MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

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callins are not a positive feature though
allow sign ups from bravo app, like a competitor does?
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Old Yesterday, 01:50 PM   #3965
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allow sign ups from bravo app, like a competitor does?
A feature that includes notifications when you are up would be a positive.

A feature that allows people with access or in the know to be called sooner than people who do not have this access, is not a positive. The total wait time does not change, those who couldn't or didn't use the feature just wait longer.
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Old Yesterday, 02:09 PM   #3966
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A feature that includes notifications when you are up would be a positive.



A feature that allows people with access or in the know to be called sooner than people who do not have this access, is not a positive. The total wait time does not change, those who couldn't or didn't use the feature just wait longer.


I wouldn’t mind the wait times at all if there was a way to be notified when you are about to be called. If I arrived at the Poker room and there was an hour wait I would feel a lot better knowing I have time to go grab food or indulge in a little blackjack without having to worry about getting called while I was away. Wait times are only annoying when I feel obligated to sit at the bacarrat tables because of the fear of getting skipped over.


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Old Yesterday, 06:21 PM   #3967
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If the new room does in fact have significantly more tables, call-ins seem unnecessary. It'd just tie up a floor person all night because the phone would be ringing off the hook.
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Old Yesterday, 08:44 PM   #3968
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Playing in a game last night when this hand happens:

UTG, UTG+1 limp, I raise, SB, BB, and both limpers call. Flop comes out, SB leads and it folds to me. With maybe 2-3 seconds of hesitation, I am grabbing chips to put in a raise but when I look up the board has been mucked and the pot is already being shipped to SB. Flop was easy to remember and stub was still in tact, but the folded cards and flop had been mixed together.

What is the standard procedure for this at MGM?
Well, the standard procedure for this is to discipline the dealer for letting this incident happens. Perhaps our dear dealer is busy chatting with players who are not in the hand.
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Old Today, 06:54 PM   #3969
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A feature that includes notifications when you are up would be a positive.

A feature that allows people with access or in the know to be called sooner than people who do not have this access, is not a positive. The total wait time does not change, those who couldn't or didn't use the feature just wait longer.
The use of the wait time does change. Without callins you re waiting aimlessly, with callins you spend your time doing what you would be doing anyway like driving.
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