I keep seeing this question pop up. What is the difference between 10/20 and 7.5/15 really? A few extra dollars per hand? To me, it is not a big enough difference to flood the poker room with pink $2.5 chips and further complicate the limits that have a chance to be established at MGM.

Johnny was correct, it would be best to have a 10/20 option for the smaller game players (also sounds like it would be included in the BBJ and drop for those still interested in being part of that), then a 20/40 game that is a very popular limit for LHE and hopefully can go most days of the week, and then have the 40/80 or 60/120 game a few days a week for the higher limit players.

I know the MGM is in direct competition with MD Live, but if you work in conjunction with the limit games already established at MD Live, it could make for a very good and consistent Limit Holdem line up in the MD/DC/MD area. Try to get 10/20 going as many days a week as possible, get 20/40 going a few days a week (not Thursdays due to MDL), and get 40/80 or 60/120 going two or three days a week (not on Monday's or Friday's due to MDL). Then players can pretty much play any limit game they want, almost any day of the week between the two. It could create a very good ecosystem for limit players in the area and those looking to move to an area where LHE is spread consistently and with several options.

Just MO of course

I'd much rather play a 15/30 LHE game than 10/20 so it is time charged and doesn't get a jackpot drop.

I'd also loved the pink chip mixed game at Horseshoe when it was originally regularly spread about 2 years ago. That game was also time charged, but seriously diminished in popularity when they switched it to a rake. I'd play a pink chip mixed game with a rake, since it presumably at least wouldn't have a jackpot drop, but not straight pink LHE at $5+$2.

I didn't realize that someone other than the Trop had picked up the pink chip game.

Maybe just adding a kill or half kill to the 4/8 game would serve as enough of a bridge to 10/20... For casual players that want to avoid NL it seems like a huge jump.

Pink HOE or HOAE (which had an underground following in the area before casinos became legal), 15/30, 30/60, and 60/120 would be great.

Pink chip has way more action than 10/20, both because it is a 3 chip/6 chip game instead of 2/4, and because pink chips just make people crazy and get people's attention. It was quite popular until HSB decided they did not want our business and made several changes to run the game into the ground, including actively refusing to run the game when we had a 15 person list and/or willing to start short when they had dead spreads.

It is unlikely that MDL will ever get this game off the ground because at least 50% of the player base is MDL employees (who are good action and good for the dealer's tips). There is 100% a market for this game as the game has now gone underground. A few of us would like to bring it back to a casino.

Also, ftr although pink chip at the trop was solely limit Holdem, the current game (and the one at HSB) is some kind of HORSE variant mix game.

I think that most of the people who want a pink chip game because of nostalgia of the old Trop pink chip game really want the crazy action that game had rather than specifically 7.5/15 betting structure. Though the pink chip game has the advantage of 2/3 chip blinds as opposed to 1/2 chip blinds for a 10/20.

HOAE? Holdem, Omaha 8, Omaha Hi and Stud 8? Not sure why you want 2 forms of Omaha in a mix but then I never understood how you got 3 forms of stud in HORSE.

Like I said HOAE had a following locally underground years ago. And it was a REALLY fun game. But I'd be fine with just HOE as well if people aren't willing to try HOAE.

The pink chip game was really popular with the ATLARGE crowd if anyone was around for those games back then. Not sure how much success it would have these days though as that was mostly before the NL craze really took over.

Came back from a weekend of playing at Wynn which was my first time there. Cant say enough good things about the room and the games. You cant overstate how nice it is to have big wide aisles and really comfortable chairs. After being shoehorned into tables at the Bellagio it was just glorioius. Games were great, dealers and floor were all on point, food options were excellent - everything was really an A+.

Just saw the episode of Emeril's Amazon show (Eat the World) that he did with Marcus, it was awesome. Instantly became a fan. Cant wait to see the new spot. ETW is an excellent show if you're into that sort of thing.

Another reason 7.5/15 is better than 10/20 for mixed games is that both tend to be played with a $1 ante in the stud games, which is too small relative to the bets at 10/20.

BTW not sure if this was posted this weekend or not, but Aria posted a pretty cool Periscope video from opening night if you still havent really seen the room yet. No poker action just a look at the room itself.

https://www.periscope.tv/ARIAPoker/1LyxBwMOwMWKN?t=54

I'm here now, doesn't seem cold at all

Chips are hard to shuffle tho

I personally prefer timed games in general, especially for any limit games, but I certainly understand many lower limit players want to be part of the BBJ and/or promo's.

As to the 'looseness' of the game or the 'action' of the game, I just don't see that being a factor anymore. Any 20/40 game or below I have ever played in the last few years has been pretty sick action. What everyone is referring to with the pink chip game is probably more due to the players playing in the game and not the game itself. If the same set of players played 10/20 instead, it would be just as much action imo.

To each their own I guess. There should be good limit action moving forward, with MGM now adding to what MDL has been spreading over the last year or two, regardless!

FYI - I played in one of (if not the first) underground pink chip game in the area back in 1999/2000, so I am familiar with the cult-like following and why it is popular in this area.

No cup holders is kinda annoying but otherwise the chairs are really comfy

Can't be nearly as impossible as Borgata. Actually it is impossible.

Great show! If you like Samuelsson I strongly suggest reading his autobio.

I recall earlier in this thread or the hype thread that Table/Seat cards would be assigned when a player checks in to deter line jumping- didn't see them in use this weekend, is that still going to be a thing?

Short term memory is shot, but I just played somewhere recently where they had the same MS straddle rule. Button first right of refusal moving counterclockwise........Sugarhouse or Parx I believe or maybe it was one of the SoCA rooms I just visited.

I believe Delaware Park had the same rule, at least a few years ago when I was last there.

Well borgata has the slippery ones right? These ones are like super tacky

They're not tacky. They're just new, so the edges are still sharp, making them harder to shuffle.

Just reading here about the no hoodie rule. Is that still true if my hood never goes up? I mean, it's winter. I wear hoodies that are super warm, and it's easier than carrying a coat around a casino.

BTW, the chip burying is already starting. It's aided and abetted, IMO, by chip runners opening the game by giving every player who bought in for more than $100 at least $100 in greens. Of the nine players at my 1-3 table yesterday morning, four had their green chips at the bottoms of stacks. Not one dealer said a word.

There's a no hoodie rule? 3 people at my table wearing hoodies.

I can see at least 10 others and one person with the hood up

According to post 242 and subsequent discussions, yes:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=242

Just to clarify, I think the no hoodie rule means, no hoodies with the hoods up. I wear hoodies 100% of the time when I'm in a poker room just because it's an easy and comfortable way to stay warm in a place where it's generally kept cold. I never wear the hood up. I've been to MGM 4 times always with hoodie on, nobody has said anything to me. Lots of the tables have had hoodie wearers each time. No hoods up is a fairly reasonable request, no hoodies period is pretty draconian and silly. Sounds like there is a little confusion from the thread.

I agree with you 100%, and I'm coming back to play in the morning, so that's why I'm asking.