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06-05-2017 , 01:09 PM
Anyone who has been to a bunch of casinos that carries a bag:

Have you ever seen another casino that doesn't check backpacks/bags upon entry? I carry in a backpack every day and have never once been asked for it to be inspected. Kind of makes me a little uneasy about what could potentially transpire with the state of the world and us basically being in the nation's capitol.
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06-05-2017 , 01:21 PM
First of all, I have to say the room is extremely well run and I enjoy playing here. Of course now I'm going to complain about something like everyone else does.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Very busy early. Had 20 games.at 9:30am. Peaked at 37 around 3pm, fell off to.32. Climbing again. Shifted a lot.of business to.early in the day...

With the increased traffic from the promo as well as the tournament on Sundays, it seems as if most (all?) of the tables with the exception of the high limit area were in use during the early afternoon.

From my experience in the past 3-4 months, the 5/10 NL has pretty regularly started between 1:00 and 1:30, occasionally earlier.
Often times 5 or 6 handed and it fills up pretty quick. Usually a second table gets going by mid afternoon.
This did not happen Sunday even though the list was 7-8+ during that timeframe and I'm guessing it's because there weren't tables available?

The game didn't start until 3:15 and that was only because a floor made the decision to start it on table 39.
The usual 5/10 table, table 21, was being used for 4/8 limit.

So the whole point of this post is to ask the following question:
Is it possible for floors to keep a table open for 5/10 on Sundays?

I'm sure the move upstairs will "solve" this problem but a solution in the interim would be much appreciated.
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06-05-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
Anyone who has been to a bunch of casinos that carries a bag:

Have you ever seen another casino that doesn't check backpacks/bags upon entry? I carry in a backpack every day and have never once been asked for it to be inspected. Kind of makes me a little uneasy about what could potentially transpire with the state of the world and us basically being in the nation's capitol.
Yes, the majority of casinos I've been to do not check bags. Even the ones that do check don't do so in a manner that would stop someone with ill intentions. The world can be a dangerous place with ****ty people doing ****ty things. Can't let that stop you from living your life.
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06-07-2017 , 10:30 AM
Hey folks, the security talk started off as Venue related (and I left in a few posts that started the discussion), but quickly veered off into a quasi-political debate. I deleted the posts that were really more a derailment of the Venue question, as ask the forum to steer clear of continuing that aspect.

If you want to debate the efficacy of the TSA and that sort of thing, please do so in one of the other forums. OT or Politics, maybe.

Thanks!
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06-07-2017 , 04:09 PM
Couple quick things from today.

FWIW I saw two canine patrols walking through the casino today, first time I'd seen that.

In regard to moving the room "upstairs" or not - the escalators are @ a 1 minute walk from the room, if that. Again, no one knows where the new room would be - if anywhere. But its not like you're walking 15 minutes just to get upstairs.

I did notice that the resort map on the MGM website shows the poker room as stretching into the area where the video poker machines are now. I honestly dont know if its always been like that - it probably has - but I just noticed it when looking at the map last night.
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06-07-2017 , 05:29 PM
I've seen the canine patrols multiple times.
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06-07-2017 , 07:48 PM
I never got the "upstairs" rumors because from what I can tell upstairs is all convention ballrooms and I don't see they taking away convention space.

I heard a "downstairs" rumor too from a dealer but I think it was tongue in cheek. AFAIK downstairs is part of the parking garage.
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06-08-2017 , 02:04 PM
JG,

Can you address item#11 on the 350/50K GTD info sheet?

I am including the text for reference:

11. The prize pool for this event is guaranteed at $50,000. In the event the prize pool falls short of the guarantee, the balance will be paid from the MGM National Harbor Bad beat Jackpot reserve fund.

But the tournament players don't contribute to the fund. So, is this right?
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06-08-2017 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GolfPro
JG,

Can you address item#11 on the 350/50K GTD info sheet?

I am including the text for reference:

11. The prize pool for this event is guaranteed at $50,000. In the event the prize pool falls short of the guarantee, the balance will be paid from the MGM National Harbor Bad beat Jackpot reserve fund.

But the tournament players don't contribute to the fund. So, is this right?
The dont directly, but approximately 50% of the players in any/all tournaments also play cash games, so the funds are being returned to the players....

In any case, the likelihood of not making that guarantee is very low IMO....
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06-08-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
The dont directly, but approximately 50% of the players in any/all tournaments also play cash games, so the funds are being returned to the players....

In any case, the likelihood of not making that guarantee is very low IMO....
That's a terrible policy for obvious reasons. But I doubt anyone (myself included) would stop playing at MGMNH just because of that, so I'm sure it won't change.
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06-08-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
The dont directly, but approximately 50% of the players in any/all tournaments also play cash games, so the funds are being returned to the players....
Very weak.... I think BBJ funds covering tourney overlays is shady. Wish it was banned by regulations.


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06-08-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
Very weak.... I think BBJ funds covering tourney overlays is shady. Wish it was banned by regulations.


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In the process of adressing. Will likely deduct 1% from all tourney prize pools to add to the jackpot reserve. This accomplishes the contribution some players like to see.

I understand your position, but hopefully you can see that using the BBJ reserve to cover these is +EV for the room. It attracts players to cash games that otherwise likely wouldn't be there. In the strictest terms, i wish there was no BBJ or promotions, but it's there, and competitors use it to their advantage. Were I not to do this, I would be at a competitive disadvantage.

I actually did the tournament deductions at Beau Rivage in MS.... will have to examine whether MLGCA will allow.
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06-08-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
In the process of adressing. Will likely deduct 1% from all tourney prize pools to add to the jackpot reserve. This accomplishes the contribution some players like to see.

I understand your position, but hopefully you can see that using the BBJ reserve to cover these is +EV for the room. It attracts players to cash games that otherwise likely wouldn't be there. In the strictest terms, i wish there was no BBJ or promotions, but it's there, and competitors use it to their advantage. Were I not to do this, I would be at a competitive disadvantage.

I actually did the tournament deductions at Beau Rivage in MS.... will have to examine whether MLGCA will allow.
Charles Town takes an extra $5 from each tournament entry to use for tournament promotions and to cover the occasional overlay. It's not unprecedented and honestly, I haven't heard anyone complain.
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06-08-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
In the process of adressing. Will likely deduct 1% from all tourney prize pools to add to the jackpot reserve. This accomplishes the contribution some players like to see.

I understand your position, but hopefully you can see that using the BBJ reserve to cover these is +EV for the room. It attracts players to cash games that otherwise likely wouldn't be there. In the strictest terms, i wish there was no BBJ or promotions, but it's there, and competitors use it to their advantage. Were I not to do this, I would be at a competitive disadvantage.

I actually did the tournament deductions at Beau Rivage in MS.... will have to examine whether MLGCA will allow.
I do understand your position and all your points are valid. Also I appreciate you giving it consideration.

Using some sort of % tourney fee as you suggest or how Charlestown does feels more right to me.

As someone that plays for side profit on top of my day job, I've mixed emotions of BBJ drop overall. It does create buzz and get butts of the players that fund my income in the seats at a cost. Impossible for me to calculate the overall benefit or loss to me personally.

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06-09-2017 , 02:15 PM
Thanks for your response JG.

If you are planning to take an extra 1% from the prizepool to cover the guarantee's then Tourny players would expect a few more avenues to get their money back.

So you might want to consider that as well, Like BBJ for Tournaments etc.,
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06-09-2017 , 02:16 PM
Saying tournament players also play cash is pretty weak. 5/T players also play 2/5 but you don't pay them out of the promo fund.

Using BBJ funds for tournament overlays really should be banned by gaming. It's not a huge deal right now because the tournament guarantees are likely to be met but if you need to put on tournament guarantees it should be funded by tournament fees.
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06-09-2017 , 02:39 PM
It's really not a big deal. The guarantees are almost always going to be met, and if they're not they'll be pretty close. If a tourney starts to miss a guarantee semi-regularly I'm sure it'll be scrapped from the schedule. It'd be much worse if the cash promo money funded a tournament BBJ like one casino I know.

Gotta pick your battles, guys. JG has to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the room. Not everything is going to be 100% reg-friendly, and you shouldn't want it to be.
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06-09-2017 , 03:44 PM
The feedback is legit because the room reputation does take a hit when you use bbj funds to cover tourney guarantees imo, even if it's only a little or only occasionally. I respect JG's dilemma, but a pretty cool function of this thread is that immediate feedback.

Maybe a lot of rooms do this and nbd, but I sure heard plenty of grousing over the table about another casino in this market on this topic.
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06-09-2017 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
In the strictest terms, i wish there was no BBJ or promotions, but it's there, and competitors use it to their advantage. Were I not to do this, I would be at a competitive disadvantage.
I'm probably in the minority, but I would travel the extra distance and deal with 495 if there were no BBJ/promo drop in the room.

BBJs and promos are an unfair tax on the rec players.
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06-09-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cf410
I'm probably in the minority, but I would travel the extra distance and deal with 495 if there were no BBJ/promo drop in the room.

BBJs and promos are an unfair tax on the rec players.
Likewise

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06-09-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
In the process of adressing. Will likely deduct 1% from all tourney prize pools to add to the jackpot reserve. This accomplishes the contribution some players like to see.

I understand your position, but hopefully you can see that using the BBJ reserve to cover these is +EV for the room. It attracts players to cash games that otherwise likely wouldn't be there. In the strictest terms, i wish there was no BBJ or promotions, but it's there, and competitors use it to their advantage. Were I not to do this, I would be at a competitive disadvantage.

I actually did the tournament deductions at Beau Rivage in MS.... will have to examine whether MLGCA will allow.
Even deducting 1% isnt really "tournament players giving to bbj pool". any tourney which passes its guarantee is charging 1% for literally nothing, and any tournament which misses the guarantee by >1% is just taking from BBJ. And you would be aware of if your 1% was donated, likely before you even bough in. Its not "tourney players" or "cash game players", its specific players at specific tables who are being charged to be entered into promotions. If there was a tourney bbj style fund that also paid out towards other promos, that would make more sense than a system which either raids or supplements the BBJ fund (depending on how often the guarantee is missed, although id guess it supplements)

Just out of curiosity anyone aware of BBJ rake/maintenence fee (if any) and/or the law(s) surrounding the BBJ in maryland (if any)?
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06-10-2017 , 09:53 AM
A compliment & a complaint -

1. The "whole table gets $500" weekend promo is a great idea as far as promos go. It creates a nice buzz amongst the room and seems to be encouraging people to come in earlier.

2. It's unfortunate that there are a growing amount of scumbags that are abusing the fact that there is virtually no punishment for changing tables/list hopping w/o asking. Thus, after I request a TC, I find myself having to pay as much attention to the known table hoppers as I do playing the game. Also creates needless arguments. Not fun. What happened to the original card system when this place opened???
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06-10-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
Even deducting 1% isnt really "tournament players giving to bbj pool". any tourney which passes its guarantee is charging 1% for literally nothing, and any tournament which misses the guarantee by >1% is just taking from BBJ. And you would be aware of if your 1% was donated, likely before you even bough in. Its not "tourney players" or "cash game players", its specific players at specific tables who are being charged to be entered into promotions. If there was a tourney bbj style fund that also paid out towards other promos, that would make more sense than a system which either raids or supplements the BBJ fund (depending on how often the guarantee is missed, although id guess it supplements)

Just out of curiosity anyone aware of BBJ rake/maintenence fee (if any) and/or the law(s) surrounding the BBJ in maryland (if any)?
Not sure about the law, but we return 100% of the money we collect to the players. There is no maintenance fee.
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06-10-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
A compliment & a complaint -

1. The "whole table gets $500" weekend promo is a great idea as far as promos go. It creates a nice buzz amongst the room and seems to be encouraging people to come in earlier.

2. It's unfortunate that there are a growing amount of scumbags that are abusing the fact that there is virtually no punishment for changing tables/list hopping w/o asking. Thus, after I request a TC, I find myself having to pay as much attention to the known table hoppers as I do playing the game. Also creates needless arguments. Not fun. What happened to the original card system when this place opened???
You won't see the punishment for repeated abuse. You just won't see the player for a few days. If they keep doing it, they get perma banned. We have banned 2 players for this already...
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06-11-2017 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
The dont directly, but approximately 50% of the players in any/all tournaments also play cash games, so the funds are being returned to the players....

In any case, the likelihood of not making that guarantee is very low IMO....
That logic seems very poor. Are u going to start giving promotions to the PLO players because most of them play nlhe games that have bbjp. It's only fair that if you are going to use bbjp for the players of a specific game that that game needs to collect some money for bbjp. Collecting a percentage of tournaments for bbjp would do that or not using bbjp money to cover overlays are the only two fair options IMO
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