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MGM National Harbor (MD) Hype Thread -- FAQ in OP, updated 2016.11.30 MGM National Harbor (MD) Hype Thread -- FAQ in OP, updated 2016.11.30

04-05-2016 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KarlZ
There's no way the hands per hour decrease 22% from one guy eating.

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then they're distracted ordering,then they need a table,signing for the comps,figuring out how bad to stiff delivery person. then they elbow me the whole time turning to eat because there's no room at the table.slopping food all over the place.
04-05-2016 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kimoser22
The bigger problem with dinner lists is when it comes to must-move tables, IMO. If you are on a great table you are not going to leave and go back to a worse must-move table. Or conversely if the main is reg-infested ppl will go on dinner break for five minutes and come back to join the must-move....
No problem there. For must-moves, have a 1-hour minimum away like you would any other must-move or game of the same type and limit. And what's the problem with people staying at a good table?
04-05-2016 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
No problem there. For must-moves, have a 1-hour minimum away like you would any other must-move or game of the same type and limit. And what's the problem with people staying at a good table?
There's def some rooms that allow shenanigans with the dinner list and must-move system. Just need rules in place to keep regulars from gaming the system so they can bumhunt and then enforce them and it will be fine.
04-06-2016 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Regulatory issues from state to state prevent this in some instances. If you want to stay at Aria and have a good history of play, we can call/ accommodate you ...
While that system still kinda sucks, that's proly the best response I could imagine from you. Brand loyalty has always been a big thing for me. Unfortunately in my old stomping grounds(Tunica/Nola) Harrahs was the go to. I look forward to enjoying your room and I appreciate your willingness to help out your players. I guess I can forgive you be a Vols fan for now.....
04-06-2016 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
You will earn what you earn. No one can deny you any comps that you have earned. "juicing" or tipping the floor or shift manager will not get you an extra comp or any additional value.
why are supervisors and shift mgrs. allowed to accept tips in the 1st place?

for Hollywood casino in wv, the supervisors aren't allowed to accept tips, even if they're dealing (to cover for a dealer who's late or bathroom).
04-06-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by klezmaniac
Except that you're UTG every hand.
You're only UTG preflop. Post flop you're in position to the straddler every street, unless you're in the blinds. If you're in the blinds you are first (or 2nd) to act every street but pre.
04-06-2016 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Correct. Keep in mind, anyone who plays will earn a very generous amount of comp reinvestment for food purchases. The mechanism is much less important to us than the actual amount we can reinvest.
how much is this generous poker comp?
04-06-2016 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by silverback87
While that system still kinda sucks, that's proly the best response I could imagine from you. Brand loyalty has always been a big thing for me. Unfortunately in my old stomping grounds(Tunica/Nola) Harrahs was the go to. I look forward to enjoying your room and I appreciate your willingness to help out your players. I guess I can forgive you be a Vols fan for now.....
Chances of you ever getting a pack of crackers, let alone a comped meal or poker rate room just went straight to hell....

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!!!
04-06-2016 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
why are supervisors and shift mgrs. allowed to accept tips in the 1st place?

for Hollywood casino in wv, the supervisors aren't allowed to accept tips, even if they're dealing (to cover for a dealer who's late or bathroom).
Because its an industry standard that has been in place for a long time. Some companies don't allow it. Many do. I feel its a big incentive for better guest service.
04-06-2016 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
how much is this generous poker comp?
We plan on .75 cents to $1.25 per hour.
04-06-2016 , 11:43 AM
Imagining the shock and dismay on all the faces after reading that last post.... I was just kidding!!!

We plan on modeling our business somewhat after Aria, Bellagio, Beau Rivage. Their respective rates are $2, $2, and $3...... We will be in that range...
04-06-2016 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
You're only UTG preflop. Post flop you're in position to the straddler every street, unless you're in the blinds. If you're in the blinds you are first (or 2nd) to act every street but pre.
You still have to get post flop. Being UTG will take a lot of hands out of your range that you can play on the button.


--klez
04-06-2016 , 12:01 PM
Can we stop with the extensive research of pros/cons of straddles? Some people like them. Some don't. Despite what people say here, it's really not that big a deal either way in the grand scheme of things.
04-06-2016 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
The process to activate a comp or have one signed, etc. is generally a 20-30 second process.
Requiring "interaction" to get your comps is really a benefit to the MGM, not to the player. I remember MGM Grand doing this, and it's always a PITA:
1) Get in line/get attention of a (usually busy) desk person.
2) Guess how much you might spend, to have them print the comp
3) Take the comp to restaurant, or give to server
4) Hope you guessed right - pony up the extra out of pocket.

I'd bet heavily that it also reduces the likelihood comps actually get used; not all guests like interaction. Honestly at MGM I always felt like I'm sheepishly asking for something special, despite that I supposedly had already earned it.

Sorry Johnny... this is not customer friendly no matter how you spin it.

(Full disclosure: I use my MDL and 'Shoe comps 85% for drinks, and if I can't just hand my card to the server to get that drink... I'm missing hands while going up to the desk for my voucher? Terrible.)
04-06-2016 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BMoreE
Requiring "interaction" to get your comps is really a benefit to the MGM, not to the player. I remember MGM Grand doing this, and it's always a PITA:
1) Get in line/get attention of a (usually busy) desk person.
2) Guess how much you might spend, to have them print the comp
3) Take the comp to restaurant, or give to server
4) Hope you guessed right - pony up the extra out of pocket.


I'd bet heavily that it also reduces the likelihood comps actually get used; not all guests like interaction. Honestly at MGM I always felt like I'm sheepishly asking for something special, despite that I supposedly had already earned it.

Sorry Johnny... this is not customer friendly no matter how you spin it.

(Full disclosure: I use my MDL and 'Shoe comps 85% for drinks, and if I can't just hand my card to the server to get that drink... I'm missing hands while going up to the desk for my voucher? Terrible.)
To answer your points:

1)Not necessary to get in line. You can stay seated, give your card to a chip runner, brush, floor, etc. You don't need to get up from the game.
2)No guessing. Comps will be issued in pre set amounts.. $10. $15, $20, etc.
3)You would need to take the comp to a server, unless we can add it to your Mlife account manually.
4)Irrelevant, as you would pony up any way if you didn't have enough comp $$$.

It does slightly reduce the likelihood of comps to be redeemed.

It allows us to establish a higher per hour comp rate, which (to me) is the most customer friendly thing we can do...
04-06-2016 , 01:10 PM
What will be the parking situation - complimentary or paid, if pay parking, will the room validate or comp it?

Looking at the overview of the site and its closeness to the beltway, the inbound and outbound traffic at that intersection could be a mess, especially on weekends and holidays. The WashPost says they are still working on even basic bus service for workers and players.

Hope the garage / parking lots will have lots of capacity, otherwise it will be congested for weeks and months until people get used to the new ebb/flow of traffic.
04-06-2016 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
I feel its a big incentive for better favoritism to regs.
fyp
04-06-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
But I'm curious as to why some are so negative on them. It just requires you to adjust your game.
If I wanted to buy into a bigger game I'd buy into a bigger game.
04-06-2016 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wzupdok
What will be the parking situation - complimentary or paid, if pay parking, will the room validate or comp it?

Looking at the overview of the site and its closeness to the beltway, the inbound and outbound traffic at that intersection could be a mess, especially on weekends and holidays. The WashPost says they are still working on even basic bus service for workers and players.

Hope the garage / parking lots will have lots of capacity, otherwise it will be congested for weeks and months until people get used to the new ebb/flow of traffic.
approximately 5,000 spaces in the parking garage. The parking flow/charges/etc have yet to be determined, specifically for the reason you mention above.
04-06-2016 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
fyp
Kinda like rewarding players for hours played by upping their earn rate? Yeah. I guess you could frame it that way. Is that a bad thing?
04-06-2016 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
If I wanted to buy into a bigger game I'd buy into a bigger game.
Our philosophy is predicated on having the games with the best action. If this means they play bigger, then so be it. You will have options to buy into smaller games too...
04-06-2016 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
To answer your points:

1)Not necessary to get in line. You can stay seated, give your card to a chip runner, brush, floor, etc. You don't need to get up from the game.
Certainly an improvement over the old MGM - great idea!

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
2)No guessing. Comps will be issued in pre set amounts.. $10. $15, $20, etc.
So if the amount is more than the purchase, does the delta go back onto the account? If not, I urgently request a pre-set amount that happens to correspond to a pint of beer

If this does result in allowing a higher rate, then the diligent win, and I guess I'll take the trade-off. Thanks for responding!
04-06-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BMoreE
Certainly an improvement over the old MGM - great idea!


So if the amount is more than the purchase, does the delta go back onto the account? If not, I urgently request a pre-set amount that happens to correspond to a pint of beer

If this does result in allowing a higher rate, then the diligent win, and I guess I'll take the trade-off. Thanks for responding!
The delta will not go back on the account. And any system that rewards the diligent is a good thing...
04-06-2016 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Our philosophy is predicated on having the games with the best action. If this means they play bigger, then so be it. You will have options to buy into smaller games too...
As a recreational player that doesn't care about the money, I just want to play in a fun cash game. The fun part for me is playing in games where I am faced with interesting scenarios. I like to have room to make plays, and I actually enjoy being put in interesting spots by opponents. The only way those situations are going to arise is if stacks are reasonably deep.

Adding a straddle obviously cuts the effective stacks in half. A lot of cash games allow min buyins of 33-40bbs, once you cut that in half you have essentially made NL holdem a preflop game. You have turned chess into checkers, and I don't think checkers is very fun to play.

This is less of an issue with a UTG straddle, because not many people will exercise their option, and those that do are usually steaming or in the mood to gamble. I don't mind playing the occasional hand short in those situations, especially since they are always OOP. However, the MS straddle option is going to be used by anyone that even remotely understands that having position is good in poker, so the game becomes a mindless short-stacked form of poker that just isn't fun for me.

There are so many mindless games in a casino for people that enjoy that sort of thing. Please don't add NL Holdem to that list.

Your other ideas for generating action (uncapped buyins, 9 vs 10 handed, etc) are much less invasive to the flow of the game.
04-06-2016 , 08:55 PM
I think the better analogy isn't chess vs checkers... It's chess vs flipping a coin. Either we set the game up with an element of luck (variance) and give the less skilled players a chance to win, or we don't.....

      
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