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MGM National Harbor (MD) Hype Thread -- FAQ in OP, updated 2016.11.30 MGM National Harbor (MD) Hype Thread -- FAQ in OP, updated 2016.11.30

04-05-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by clev72
I'll bring it up again I like MS straddles, I think the action should start UTG regardless of the straddle position, skip the straddle first time around and then they act after the BB. I have seen games run like this, and I do think it gives a slight break to the blinds who get so incredibly punished by straddles in LP.
Yeah this option sounds fantastic to me. A win-win for everyone.
04-05-2016 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by klezmaniac
Except that you're UTG every hand.



Do you enjoy that?





--klez


Doesn't bother me at all.
04-05-2016 , 01:59 PM
Any plans for eating at the table and having food runners?
04-05-2016 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by silverback87
This makes me sad. I don't understand why mlife wouldn't apply to all MGM properties? I'm not a fan of total rewards, but it's nice to call up and get a free/cheap room in AC. I guess they don't want me to stay at the aria?
Regulatory issues from state to state prevent this in some instances. If you want to stay at Aria and have a good history of play, we can call/ accommodate you ...
04-05-2016 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
I don't know why Mlife does it this way. But for all Vegas Mlife properties the poker comps are valid at that specific venue only. I think this only applies to poker comps though?
Correct. Keep in mind, anyone who plays will earn a very generous amount of comp reinvestment for food purchases. The mechanism is much less important to us than the actual amount we can reinvest.
04-05-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ZephyrSpy
Any plans for eating at the table and having food runners?
There is a 99.9999999999% chance that we will have table side food service with access to a wide variety of food choices. Players at MGM National Harbor will be happy with our food offerings in poker.
04-05-2016 , 03:25 PM
Comps aside, I assume that your poker/game play at MGMNH will still accumulate points in your overall mlife account - I wouldnt think there was a question about that.
04-05-2016 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ZephyrSpy
Doesn't bother me at all.
So you play the same range of hands UTG that you would on the button?


--klez
04-05-2016 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by punkass
Non-transferable MLife comps across other MGM properties is a big negative. Required activation of comps or any other steps needed to use comps is a big negative.
This portion is crucial to the success of our business model. At every opportunity, we want contact with our guests. We also want our dealers, chip runners. brushes, supervisors and managers to learn, know, and use the names of the guests in our room.

The process to activate a comp or have one signed, etc. is generally a 20-30 second process.
04-05-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Drifter
Have you played in a game where the cutoff can straddle, and there's nothing the button can do about it?
This at the shoe I see this in five card PLO and usually ends up with an action guy 5x straddling CO until the BTN gets fed up with having to act first pre and 2x straddles. Not having this option for the BTN would also result in complaints.
Also I may be the only one but I'm not a fan of the Venetian-style start (button straddle) UTG if no action skip BTN go to blinds straddle (button) acts last pre-, if action BTN acts in order blinds act last...seems too blatant of a way to beat up in recs (wouldn't want them being too tight from the blinds would we...)
04-05-2016 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by punkass
Non-transferable MLife comps across other MGM properties is a big negative. Required activation of comps or any other steps needed to use comps is a big negative.
I believe Johnny, but this would make no sense, I thought keeping consumers within ones brands' ecosystem was desirable?

Just read Lattimer's commentary...makes more sense but are we really that cheap as poker players?
04-05-2016 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroJ
Look at is this way, you won't lose players in the DC area if you don't have a MS straddle, but you will most certainly drive some players away if all games allow a MS straddle.

If you are absolutely tied to having a MS straddle, just please make the min buyin 200bb. I would likely enjoy MS holdem in that format.
I think this is where I'm finally at with it as well. Anything other than a standard UTG straddle - IMO - just becomes too much for the average rec player to handle (<slight sarcasm). Yes, people can learn. Yes, people will get used to it. But for the most part I think the UTG straddle is what people are most used to.

Last edited by dcmidnight; 04-05-2016 at 03:41 PM.
04-05-2016 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by klezmaniac
So you play the same range of hands UTG that you would on the button?


--klez
No, but postflop position is much more relevant to handranges at reasonable stack depths than preflop position. This is especially true in most live low stakes games that don't have tons of three betting.

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04-05-2016 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZephyrSpy
Any plans for eating at the table and having food runners?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
There is a 99.9999999999% chance that we will have table side food service with access to a wide variety of food choices. Players at MGM National Harbor will be happy with our food offerings in poker.
In my opinion, a better solution would be to keep the eating and the poker separate using a dinner list and a short pick-up time. Doing it that way would be cleaner and more efficient.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
This portion is crucial to the success of our business model. At every opportunity, we want contact with our guests. We also want our dealers, chip runners. brushes, supervisors and managers to learn, know, and use the names of the guests in our room.

The process to activate a comp or have one signed, etc. is generally a 20-30 second process.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I really don't like the idea of having to add needless steps into a process. At MDL, you give someone at the restaurant your card and your ID and they use the card to pay for your food. Are you saying that there would be some sort of intermediate step where someone in the poker room would need to handle your card as well?
04-05-2016 , 05:03 PM
Rapini I don't think they have a choice. MGM properties don't put poker comps on the Mlife card.
04-05-2016 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
Rapini I don't think they have a choice. MGM properties don't put poker comps on the Mlife card.
Prob true, but I feel that this opens up a lot of potential problems in the future. I think it was the Aria that had problems with a TD stealing tourney tokes, and in that thread Aria regs we're bemoaning the comp system,(actually I think some were for some against) where one would have to juice the floor to get any sort of decent comp. some felt that was part of the system- and indeed it does feel like something that would happen in Vegas- some felt that a simple points on the card system would be more efficient.
04-05-2016 , 05:22 PM
You're thinking of Bellagio, where regs were juicing the floor and getting a handful of buffet coupons. That has nothing to do with the comps you earn on the poker table ($1/hr or whatever), you're entitled to them and they're not gonna short you.
04-05-2016 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kimoser22
Prob true, but I feel that this opens up a lot of potential problems in the future. I think it was the Aria that had problems with a TD stealing tourney tokes, and in that thread Aria regs we're bemoaning the comp system,(actually I think some were for some against) where one would have to juice the floor to get any sort of decent comp. some felt that was part of the system- and indeed it does feel like something that would happen in Vegas- some felt that a simple points on the card system would be more efficient.
You will earn what you earn. No one can deny you any comps that you have earned. "juicing" or tipping the floor or shift manager will not get you an extra comp or any additional value.
04-05-2016 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
In my opinion, a better solution would be to keep the eating and the poker separate using a dinner list and a short pick-up time. Doing it that way would be cleaner and more efficient.



Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I really don't like the idea of having to add needless steps into a process. At MDL, you give someone at the restaurant your card and your ID and they use the card to pay for your food. Are you saying that there would be some sort of intermediate step where someone in the poker room would need to handle your card as well?
There significant differences in our property and company, and that of MD Live. While I can see your point, There are several steps where someone will handle your card. Using it to get on a list, swiping in to the table, registering for a tournament, and possibly getting comp value added or a comp printed.

As far a keeping food and poker separate, I have had great success in offering table side food service to poker players, especially on late night or early morning hours. This helps keep games together or helps to start games... This is something that, again, is part of my business model. I may have to adjust, but we're gonna try it for starters.
04-05-2016 , 06:28 PM
Really good to hear about the table side food service. I'm looking forward to no longer chasing down a waitress to order from a limited menu of food that isn't v good. Having designated food runners makes a huge difference ime.
04-05-2016 , 07:11 PM
eating at the table slows down the game imo. having to wait for players to turn around, wipe their hands (hopefully) ,wipe their mouth . i see less hands per hour. probly cuts my hourly from $18 to $14.
04-05-2016 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kidroofer
eating at the table slows down the game imo. having to wait for players to turn around, wipe their hands (hopefully) ,wipe their mouth . i see less hands per hour. probly cuts my hourly from $18 to $14.

Would you like the table donkey take an hour dinner break or eat at the table and utilize his time at the table with less number of hands?
04-05-2016 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GolfPro
Would you like the table donkey take an hour dinner break or eat at the table and utilize his time at the table with less number of hands?
Yes.
04-05-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kidroofer
eating at the table slows down the game imo. having to wait for players to turn around, wipe their hands (hopefully) ,wipe their mouth . i see less hands per hour. probly cuts my hourly from $18 to $14.
There's no way the hands per hour decrease 22% from one guy eating.

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04-05-2016 , 08:32 PM
The bigger problem with dinner lists is when it comes to must-move tables, IMO. If you are on a great table you are not going to leave and go back to a worse must-move table. Or conversely if the main is reg-infested ppl will go on dinner break for five minutes and come back to join the must-move....

      
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