That's painfully obvious to all of us. But I don't know how you can have reasonable expectations without looking at all sides of a situation. If you're only going to view a situation from the perspective of your own biased position then there's no point in anyone engaging with you further.

Not sure if you guys can sympathize, but I would wager that the game is much slower on a table that is physically larger. The beauty of the current table size is that average size poker dealer can physically reach most chips put in play by the 2-3 and 8-9 seats. Adding a foot of length makes a big difference in that. Probably a minimum of 1 hand every 30 minutes would be lost in struggling to reach the chips or asking players to push them in.

1hand/30 min at $4 rake per hand (assuming max is $5) equate to $8 per hour per table. In a 50 table card room at 80% occupancy, the card room would lose $8x 40 tables x 10 hours x 365 days, or $1.16 million in rake per year..... all to add a foot to the tables....

johnny my point isnt really about 9 handed or 10 , i really dont have a preference tbh . there was a comment about not having enough room at the table to be comfortably seated. when someone next to me and they are so close that their arm hair rubs against mine it absolutely CREEPS ME OUT. if it doesnt bother others thats fine im just expressing my opinion about how much room there is at a table.
is there anything i can do about it ? of course not. i was just having a conversation in a poker forum about a poker issue .
when i joined this "community" i thought that was the purpose of this thing , unfortunately i was wrong.

Aint nobody mad at ya... people love to argue and have candid opinions here. But those candid opinions, both the ones I agree and disagree with, help me make better and more informed decisions.

Arm hair creeps me out too... almost as much as back hair...

You mean to tell me you dont have a staff of 150 6'2'' dealers already lined up.
Unacceptable!

im not worried one way or another whether anyone is mad at me or not lmao.
i appreciate your break down of the math but i also have no sympathy to whether mgm makes 100 million dollars a year or 101.16 million dollars a year because the table is more comfortable.
for the record i am definitely looking forward to playing at mgm solely based on your comments/interactions in this thread. i have no doubt the room will be run well regardless of trying to please every player in the market. which is obviously impossible.

This portion is the hard part to digest... MGM, MD Live, and the Shoe all have games. If you are a profitable player, you have to realize that we are business partners. We provide a safe, regulated, and legal environment for you to play. We also provide a lot of recreational players for you to play with. Understanding and having sympathy for our profit margins isn't necessary, but it will go a long way toward having a constructive discussion on what is best for you as a player and me as an operator..

FWIW if our poker room makes 101.6mllion in a year in revenue, I will retire. To give you a good ballpark to estimate how important 1.1 million in revenue is to a poker room, Horseshoe Baltimore did just over 9 million with a 23 table room. MD Live did 24.5 Million with a 52 table room... 1.1 million is a much bigger portion of our business than you think.

Kind like dropping your win rate from $18/hr to $14 per hour... If you can avoid it, you will....

FYI, I am actually 6'2" and cant reach the end of a "football field" (that's what we called the big tables in Tunica MS....)

Would you agree that the card room therefore loses about this much rake by having the extra 10th player dealt in each hand? I don't think it's a stretch to say that there's one fewer hand per 30 min with 10 vs 9 seated players, maybe even fewer. More multiway pots with 10. More total player decisions to wait on. Slower.

point taken

Average rake per pot is marginally higher to offset.... about .40 cents per hand...

ATBE

But it's never equal. 9h vs 10h, it's easier for the table to become shorthanded (6), which will be at half rake (right?). It's that much easier for the table to break as well. A lot of factors come into play.

correct... but 6 handed play at half rake is not a huge loss for the casino... the number of hands played per down generally rises as much as 30-40%. and when play gets that short, hand ranges typically open up and pot sizes no longer shrink... its a very fine line...

Growing Kobe steaks on trees would be nice too.

Well I'm sure some accountant could explain it to you better, but a slot machine has a footprint of about 4 square feet, plus space for the customer, so call it 10 square feet. That's 50 slot machines that 500 sq ft would replace. For no increase in revenue from poker - just bigger tables.

The average slot machine makes about $220/day, so that's $11,000 a day, total, that the casino would give up in DAILY slot revenue, so that bigger poker tables would generate exactly $0 more dollars.

I mean - how much more spelling out do you need here?
Congratulations. You are at the bottom of the casino's priority list.

This entire post has a salty tone... Greebo, you are in time out... LOL

But I wasn't even dealt in!!!

i already said i get the difference between slot/poker profit greebo and im not slightly interested in being on the top of the casinos priority list. its apples and oranges. im sure players would play hold em on a stud table and constantly bicker about who gets shorted a cup holder if they could save an extra $.50 in rake whereas i would pay $1 more to have more elbow room, thats all. its not about money to me.

/thread......

If you used a betting line that forced players to push chips closer to the dealer, adding a foot wouldn't be so bad.....

But 9-handed is preferable to 10-handed, imo.

Will there be a betting line?

Also, if there was a way that players could use their devices (phones/tablets) to listen to the TVs that would be the nuts.

There's an app for that called Tunity. Download from Apple or Google stores.

Agreed and endorsed. Tunity is the nuts, plain and simple.

There will be a racetrack circle on the table, but it will not be used for a betting line. Every place I have seen with a betting line has problems with angle shooters using the line as a weapon...

do like the Shoe.
allow short dealers to use back scratchers to bring in chips and cards

I'd really like 9 handed at 2/5 and up, purely for the leg and elbow room