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03-28-2016 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Empirically, I can tell you that the MS straddle does not "bust the regs" immediately.... In operated a room in a market that did a decent bit of business. We did, however, have uncapped buy ins there in all games. After 8 years of operating there, plenty of business was still there (actually more than when I started)
Are you planning on having uncapped buyins on all games?
03-28-2016 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Table stakes rule will be applied, with a 2 hours being considered a playing session (Player sits, hits a large score, gets up. To play in a game of the same type/limit, they would need to buy in for the same amount they left with)
what does table stakes have to do with going south in bankroll when moving tables?
(table stakes = you don't lose the hand if the other player bets more than what you have in front of you.)

and 2hrs to come back to the same stakes if going south would slightly differentiate you from the other 2 md casinos in the area.
Shoe = 60 min

md live = 90min on must move tables (ie: 2/2 plo), else no wait time for all others.
you can go south immediately when switching 1/2 tables. you just cant come back to that same table w/o full stack within 90min.

Last edited by AA Suited; 03-28-2016 at 02:24 PM.
03-28-2016 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
We pitch cards to him and take rake.... just like anyone else....
what would the rake be for 1/2 nl?
4+1?
(yes, another brilliant suggestion to differentiate yourself from the rest of the pack )
03-28-2016 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hopesolo9
Johnny, as much as I appreciate your intention, I must say that Live and Shoe have both assured the riddance of railbirds and one point or another- with no success. Live simply has too many employees with individual mindsets to enforce clearing the rail often enough and Shoe just puts 10/25+ next to 4/8 and 1/2 tables where problems are bound to arise. However I will give Shoe credit for roping off a whole corner section one time because the problem became so bad. Since we are on the subject, if you have any say in the design plan I can tell you that a bunch of guys who play big games also bet sports and will need their TVs close. Is it true that the poker room will open at a later date than the casino? Thanks, Matt
Without divulging any concrete details, I can assure you that you and any other player who plays high limits will be very pleased with every aspect of what we do for high limit players in the categories you have mentioned above....
03-28-2016 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
what would the rake be for 1/2 nl?
4+1?
(yes, another brilliant suggestion to differentiate yourself from the rest of the pack )
Not determined yet, but it definitely wont be 4+1
03-28-2016 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
what does table stakes have to do with going south in bankroll when moving tables?
(table stakes = you don't lose the hand if the other player bets more than what you have in front of you.)

and 2hrs to come back to the same stakes if going south would slightly differentiate you from the other 2 md casinos in the area.
Shoe = 60 min

md live = 90min on must move tables (ie: 2/2 plo), else no wait time for all others.
you can go south immediately when switching 1/2 tables. you just cant come back to that same table w/o full stack within 90min.
Tables stakes also says you may not add money during a hand, or take money off the table during a playing session. For the purposes of table moves, a "playing session" is considered as playing in the same game type and limit.

Differentiation isn't really the reason why I want to do it. I want poker games, not hit and run jobs. People who attempt to do this frustrate a lot of people, and are generally never good for a game.
03-28-2016 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
Are you planning on having uncapped buyins on all games?
This is to be determined. It is not out of the question, but it is also a radical departure from the market standard. We had uncapped games in 1/3 NL at Beau Rivage in Biloxi, and I can offer a pretty solid guarantee that the games there were among the best in the country. I am sure there are some in this thread who played there and can attest...
03-28-2016 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by foobar
$10 and $20 chips not currently approved by MD gaming.
$20 chips are permitted, or at least listed as a denom by color in the regs....

D. The Commission may not approve a primary color for use in a value chip unless it visually appears, when viewed in
daylight or incandescent light, as the following colors for these denominations:
(1) $1, white;
(2) $2, blue;
(3) $2.50, pink;
(4) $5, red;
(5) $20, yellow;
(6) $25, green;
(7) $100, black;
(8) $500, purple;
(9) $1,000, fire orange;
(10) $5,000, brown;
(11) $10,000, silver; and
(12) $25,000, gold.
03-28-2016 , 03:12 PM
Cool - my mistake. Guess it's just the $10 not approved.
03-28-2016 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
This is to be determined. It is not out of the question, but it is also a radical departure from the market standard. We had uncapped games in 1/3 NL at Beau Rivage in Biloxi, and I can offer a pretty solid guarantee that the games there were among the best in the country. I am sure there are some in this thread who played there and can attest...
Most of us who play a lot, but haven't been to the Beau, have heard the legend.

Imho, you're going to have such a geographic and facility edge that I wonder how much the market standard matters. I really think you get to do whatever you want.

Somewhat related anecdote: was recently talking with a pro who's been grinding Jacksonville FL for more than a year. (he's there often, clear solid winner, might have a job, saw him there 13 months ago) Anyway, he has never set foot in the other Jacksonville area card room, an easy 30 minute freeway drive away (double at rush hour).

Location, location, location!
03-28-2016 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
Most of us who play a lot, but haven't been to the Beau, have heard the legend.

Imho, you're going to have such a geographic and facility edge that I wonder how much the market standard matters. I really think you get to do whatever you want.

Somewhat related anecdote: was recently talking with a pro who's been grinding Jacksonville FL for more than a year. (he's there often, clear solid winner, might have a job, saw him there 13 months ago) Anyway, he has never set foot in the other Jacksonville area card room, an easy 30 minute freeway drive away (double at rush hour).

Location, location, location!
LOL at the first part... but it was true. I agree with he second part too, as far as location goes....
03-28-2016 , 04:40 PM
btn straddle is horrible
03-28-2016 , 04:44 PM
wont uncapped scare the recs?
they buy in for the min and see your mound of 500+ bb?
03-28-2016 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
what does table stakes have to do with going south in bankroll when moving tables?
Everything?
03-28-2016 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AA Suited
wont uncapped scare the recs?
they buy in for the min and see your mound of 500+ bb?
Recs generally see those stacks see the opportunity. Recs scared by a big stack should be steered to play limit poker....
03-28-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JagenGeist
btn straddle is horrible
Can be absolutely great if used properly by a player.... Can be exceptionally horrible if a player plays above their bankroll and has someone sit to their right and pound on their blinds...
03-28-2016 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Not set in stone, but here's where I am leaning:

Voluntary move of any sort, or feeder game move (table transfer to same game and limit)= full stack
I would love this, a long with being able to buy in for an amount equal to largest stack at the table is my dream scenario.

Nothing more frustrating than sitting in a game and not being able to cover those I believe I have an edge over.
03-28-2016 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
I would love this, a long with being able to buy in for an amount equal to largest stack at the table is my dream scenario.

Nothing more frustrating than sitting in a game and not being able to cover those I believe I have an edge over.
Precisely one of the reasons I am generally an opponent of capped buy ins on no limit poker. (FWIW, this position does not mean that we will have uncapped buy-ins).
03-28-2016 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
This is to be determined. It is not out of the question, but it is also a radical departure from the market standard. We had uncapped games in 1/3 NL at Beau Rivage in Biloxi, and I can offer a pretty solid guarantee that the games there were among the best in the country. I am sure there are some in this thread who played there and can attest...
Do you plan to bring 1/3 NL instead of 1/2 to MGMNH? If so, this would be good. 1/2 is essentially obsolete anymore with the cost of living and rake.

Also, personally, I don't think uncapped NL games are a great idea. Doesn't it stifle bigger blind games? Why would most people bother going to 2/5 when they can play 1/3 and buy-in for $700? Or why would somebody go to 5/10 if they can play 2/5 or even 1/3 and buy-in for $1500, especially if MS straddles are allowed?
03-28-2016 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingOnAThinLine
Do you plan to bring 1/3 NL instead of 1/2 to MGMNH? If so, this would be good. 1/2 is essentially obsolete anymore with the cost of living and rake.

Also, personally, I don't think uncapped NL games are a great idea. Doesn't it stifle bigger blind games? Why would most people bother going to 2/5 when they can play 1/3 and buy-in for $700? Or why would somebody go to 5/10 if they can play 2/5 or even 1/3 and buy-in for $1500, especially if MS straddles are allowed?
In a 16 table room with around 1.5 million people living within 3 hours drive, we had 1/3 and 2/5 every day, with 5/10 on weekends. With the amount of money in the area, differentiation in limits would not be an issue. I will say that its very likely that we spread 1/3 here...
03-28-2016 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Precisely one of the reasons I am generally an opponent of capped buy ins on no limit poker. (FWIW, this position does not mean that we will have uncapped buy-ins).
If not uncapped then definitely higher caps if possible. Example - in my experience the Bellagio 2/5 game ($500 max) definitely plays nittier than the Aria 2/5 game ($1,000 max) which has just been a fantastic action game.

200bb is not uncapped but its definitely high enough that it provides great action.

All IMO though, I'm an admitted MGM mark when it comes to their poker rooms.
03-28-2016 , 07:01 PM
Couple of guideline suggestions for PLO buy-ins:
1/2: $100 - $500 (IME, a lot of people buy in for $200 or more, but $100 lets newcomers to the game enter and try it out cheaply)
2/2: $200 - $600 (??? not sure, never really played this)
2/5: $500 - $1500
5/5: $500 - $2500 (this is my main game now, with a $10 rock. Maybe you could propose a bronze $10 chip to the regulators?)
5/10: $1000 - $5000 or uncapped (I'd lean toward uncapped if it ends up being played with a forced straddle)
Higher: 100bbs - uncapped

Biggest things to keep in mind is that (1) it's more important for PLO to be a postflop game than a preflop game in NLHE, so it's important for people to have at least 100bbs, which becomes tougher given that (2) IME straddles are MUCH more common in PLO than in NLHE, which, obviously, makes stacks more shallow.

Of course, these might need to be adjusted if 3-blind structures become the norm.
03-28-2016 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Can be absolutely great if used properly by a player.... Can be exceptionally horrible if a player plays above their bankroll and has someone sit to their right and pound on their blinds...
Mississippi Straddle? God...hope not. Saw a few issues at Horseshoe with dealers forgetting or players betting out of turn or players paying for missed blinds or in CO/LoJack trying to buy the button by placing out their straddle first (and dealers being generally confused as to what to do). That confusion slows down an already slow game and just made me run to MD Live...Can of worms...
03-28-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Tables stakes also says you may not add money during a hand, or take money off the table during a playing session. For the purposes of table moves, a "playing session" is considered as playing in the same game type and limit.

Differentiation isn't really the reason why I want to do it. I want poker games, not hit and run jobs. People who attempt to do this frustrate a lot of people, and are generally never good for a game.

Thank you for this. It's very encouraging to see you active ITT and see that you understand how these rules affect your games. I'm looking forward to coming down in a few short months
03-28-2016 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DryAngel
Mississippi Straddle? God...hope not. Saw a few issues at Horseshoe with dealers forgetting or players betting out of turn or players paying for missed blinds or in CO/LoJack trying to buy the button by placing out their straddle first (and dealers being generally confused as to what to do). That confusion slows down an already slow game and just made me run to MD Live...Can of worms...
I've played a few places with button straddles. Bal Shoe players have way more issues with order of play than I've seen anywhere else. Not sure why.

      
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