Is the 1/2 and 1/3 NL already in place? Which is getting more tables (interest)?

+1 to the 1/2 and 1/3 splitting. I was one that posted in favor of bringing 1/2 back so I'm happy to see that but you shouldn't keep 1/3 around also. One of the two should be a "special interest" and only spread when people specifically start a list and create it while the other is always up on the board.

If this is how it works now then great.

Right now, 1-3 is spread and 1-2 will be spread if there is interest. It is under review. Gary

Gary - How much 1-2 is being spread vs. 1-3? Are both running most nights? Has there been an increase in play since the change? Do customers know that 1-2 is available?

even if there is only 1/3 running they should always have an interest list up on the board so people know

There should also be a 7 card stud interest list running 24/7 at the Meadows.

What is the point of making 1-2 an interest instead of default? Thats just too confusing to players and dealers:

1) Tables will not run full most of the time
2) No natural mix of players, i.e. segmented crowd
3) More complaints from players that actually want to have fun and/or be productive at 1 - 2

Who is making the decisions? Definitely funny business going on.

Alls i know is, I cant wait to come down Friday night. With all the complainers on here, I feel like im in a WHINERY...



Gary, with all the changes going on, Is the tourney schedule still accurate?

Im hoping to play 1-2, and a tourney.

I personally am Looking forward to seeing the New Poker Schedule BEFORE the events are played!!!

Meadows website still has the July Poker Schedule.

I'm not registered on Face Book so i don't know if the Poker Schedule is limited to Face Book members; but it isn't showing up for me.

As requested. For the record I get nothing out of this other than helping out the fellow 2+2 er's

Thanks for the schedule.

I caved and signed up for facebook. Social networking, GEEZ!!

What's next 3 betting light.

Well it's strange to have both 1-2 and 1-3, no doubt about it. We'll need to see how it works out. I'm curious to see it, but there's no doubt that 1-3 didn't work at all. The player base rejected it; it was like a wet blanket had been dropped over the room, a very down atmosphere. One night I didn't even take a seat, since all the tables seemed so grim and depressed - it just killed my interest in playing. Fortunately, one of the bars offered a much happier atmosphere while my friends played.

As for tables not running full most of the time, that's the status quo at this room - it really can't get much worse. At both Wheeling and the Meadows, Peter oriented his staff towards maintaining short tables, and they never enforced 3rd, 4th or 5th man walking rules. Regulars would simply ignore the rules and seat themselves at the tables they want - some of the dealers would nod to them ("seat available, take it"). But casual visitors would follow the rules and get screwed.

A casual player would go to the desk, ask for a seat, play 5-7 handed for a few hours, and become frustrated. Meanwhile, new players would continue to seat themselves at the full tables, and his own tablemates would simply get up to self-relocate. The worst part is that the casual player will eventually go back to the desk and ask to change to a full table, and then be told that he can't leave his short table. I've got a number of buddies who fall into this trap every time, and it really annoys them - to the extent that they're invariably b1tching about the place every time they leave. Not a good business model.

Thanks 33 you are a gentleman

Thanks for the schedule 33.

Hey Gary,

Dan from DOP tweeted yesterday about some new wrinkles being added to the BPW for August. Do you know what those are, and can you share?

Thanks in advance!

Mick, some of the changes are starting times of tour. and type, also maybe a real cool thing, not sure if it is a done deal or if Dan wants it out yet but I will ask him and post when he and management want it out. Gary

I see that the Monday evening tourney is now listed as a $45 rather than $40 ($30+10+5 addon). Is it now $35+10+5 addon? The rake wasn't increased $5, was it?

I believe it has, when mangement looked at the overall, changes had to be made in some areas to improve the long term health of room. Some of the starting times have changed, Management is working hard and responding to customers and I think it is starting to show. Last night 13 cash games running with 2 2-5 tables and a 5-10 table with a huge amount of money on it {buy in is 500 to 5000} most bought in for at least 1000.00 , Also had 72 runners for evening tournament. Gary

So it's $30+15 now? The fee is 50% of the entry price... that's extremely steep. The entry for these should probably be increased to compensate so that the fee isn't such a large portion of the money.

I'm happy to hear that the cash games are doing a bit better... any word on 1/2 being the standard and 1/3 moved to special request? I haven't been back for a few weeks but as soon as this change is made I'll be there.

50% rake is way ridiculous even by casino standards, wow. I'm no business expert but I don't think having a much worse tournament structure and much higher rake than Rivers is going to do much positive for the long term health of the room.

You are correct Rookie, any more than 10% of the money itself will just push the tourney players away. A 30 dollar tourney should have a fee of no more than $3.00. Also, by pushing the tourney players away, the cash games will drop as well, and this certainly will NOT help the Meadows poker room in the long run. Won't do em any good in the short run either.

Well you're not going to find 10% rake at any casino for buyins lower than $200, and usually not even in those. But there is a precedent set for the rake and the way to get new players and, equally as important, to keep your existing players is certainly not to try raising the rake.

I, for one, will be at Rivers until this is changed. I was already getting fed up with the structure of the tournaments in comparison to Rivers anyway. C'est la vie. Best of luck.

In that case, the "entry" as you call it should be $150.00,for a $15.00 entry fee. The entry fee goes to the casino. The "entry" that you refer to, goes to the prize pool. A thrity dollar tourney should have an entry fee of no more than $3.00, which is 10% of the money. 50% is not steep, it is absurd.