Played here for the first time tonight and it's a great room with a lot of action. They really need to fix the "Players get their own chips" thing though.

We do pump some fragrance in the casino. Imagine if we didn't?

That's seems incredibly angle-friendly. Chips in hand are not the same as sliding a stack.
If a player counts out $150, and slides that stack into the middle and then back out again without an opponent's reaction, what then?
Is he held to a min bet, the $150, or are his options open?
Surely his intention is not determined by his opponent.

Mike,

I thought the rule was if your cards hit the muck they're dead? Whether they went in face up or face down?

I understand you wanting to keep the integrity of the game, and having the best hand win, but digging the hand out of the muck?


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Wow! Unexpected! 100% agree with you. If that's the case, I'm going to print Mike's post out and do it very hand to get a reaction. (OK, I'm not, but you get my point.) In fact, I'm pretty sure I have seen rulings to the opposite at MDL where people were told that they cannot pull chips back.

And, yes, this is different from having chips in hand and not releasing them. I don't like when people do it either but at least most people already know how it works.

In my experience, once you are sliding the stuck forward far enough, many people will reveal their hand or say something like "good call."

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H Unless I misread the post, the player slid the chips away from the rail, then extended them in his hand(was my take) and the other player reacted too soon. I don't read this as the chips were on the felt. Did I read it incorrectly?

If they were not on the felt, how did he slide them back?

The way I read it, the chips were never off the felt.

That's not correct. There isn't a magical muck that kills hands especially the ones turned face up at showdown

Thanks

Mike

Apparently I misread it. Might not have been the right call

Thanks

Mike

We appreciate that you take the time to respond to floor decisions on a public forum.

I dont play PLO but you didnt clarify whether or not your first to show

If you call someones river bet or your IP and the river goes check/check...then they either have to show or muck

However if someone calls your river bet or your OOP and the river goes check/check, you are not entitled to see their cards unless you table your hand first..

To clarify Mike, it was probably about 30 chips in a single stack and they never left the felt at any point. The chips were on the felt near the rail to the side of cards. The guy grabbed the stack near the bottom/base and somewhat carefully slid it forward on the felt the entire time. I think the speed is irrelevant, and I just think he was trying not to tip his stack over. His intentions were pretty damn clear if we're being practical. We momentarily made eye contact as this was happening and I reached to grab a chip from my stack to call after I saw his arm was extended forward about 80-90%. This was well beyond any sort of "working area" near the rail. As I was looking down briefly, I suddenly heard the word "check" and saw all his chips sliding back towards the rail. Floor was called and ruling was made of a min bet of the big blind. The chips never left the felt at any point because he couldn't physically fit them all in his hand.

I completely get the rule here that a player can grab a handful of chips to make a bet and only drop a portion and bring the rest back (although I don't like that either due to angle shooting), but this was sliding his entire stack forward. So your rule here is that it's not a bet until he lets go of the chips that were extended forward? So he can just hold out his stack and stare at me to get a read? If this was supposed to be an all-in, does forward motion with all chips in hand only apply if the stack is on the felt? When is it considered forward motion? Can he slide it forward a couple of inches and then stop to get a read or must he slide it out with arms fully extended before it's a bet? Most places have any significant forward motion as a bet, but some have "workable areas" where players can do whatever they want within that area. I'm genuinely confused with this room's rules.

I take the blame for jumping the gun a little bit here and not letting the guy complete whatever it is he was doing, but I felt it was so obvious in this particular case that it didn't matter. But even chips in hand leads to angle shooting. I wish the entire rule would be changed. I've seen several times that a person grabs a palm full of greens on the river in hand and starts cutting them out in the middle. When an amateur player has a strong hand a snap calls a bluff, the player cutting chips instantly pulls everything back that's still in hand and not yet dropped. How many times has a casual player been taken advantage of by this, thinking that all the greens in hand were in play? I just think it's wrong for somebody to grab $450 worth of greens and only bet $50 or $100. It's completely unnecessary unless there's some malicious intent going on.

Many casinos offer a generous working area and then bind players to bet anything in hand, sliding, whatever, that goes beyond that towards to middle. Please consider changing to that or clarifying what constitutes a bet in this poker room because I've been a platinum card here for the past couple of years, solely on poker (over 1000 hours of play), and I still am confused on some of the subtleties. I've seen different floors making different rulings on similar actions repeatedly. It can be a frustrating grey area and I just want the integrity of the game to be protected frankly.

Interesting because I'm right at 500 hours for the year and I've never once been confused by a bet or confused someone with my betting. I nearly always carry forward more chips than I need for my bet, cut out my bet and carry back the remaining chips. In fact the guys who call my $60 bet by cutting out 6 stacks of 2 chips, assemble those into a stack and then carry it forward drive me nuts because they waste so much time.

Even in the case of a guy sliding a stack forward I'm going to wait until the chips come to a rest before I react to the bet. Though I have to admit I'd be surprised if it came to a ruling that he'd be anything besides all-in.

In my experience quite a bit of ambiguous betting takes place at Md. Live! You just have to be prepared for it and use it to your advantage when possible. And, yes, it still sucks when an unaware recreational player gets played.
AW

In the end, it is the player's responsibility to protect themselves and know what is going on at all times. Not defending the casino and/or floor decisions, but this is the ONLY way to ensure you control as much as you possibly can. If anything is ever in question, just take 2 seconds to get clarification before acting.

Is Maryland live giving out cruises to platinum players soon?

They already did that a few months ago and assume it will not happen again until beginning of summer 2017, but that part is just a guess.

Dealer just told the table that MGM opening weekend promo was going to be 500 high hand every 10 minutes. I think 2pm to 2am including Saturday

I heard the same thing today from a dealer

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Copy and pasted from Bravo:

HOLIDAY HIGH HAND PROMOTIONS:
December 7-11 Win $500 Every 10 Minutes! 2:00PM-2:00AM
December 12-16 Win $500 Every 15 Minutes! 11:00AM-1:00AM
December 17-22 Win $500 Every 20 Minutes! 11:00AM-1:00AM
December 26-30 Win $500 Every 30 Minutes! 11:00AM-1:00AM
Late Night High Hands Win $300 Every 30 Minutes! Daily 2:00AM-7:00AM

Is it just me or does it seem like the promos are somewhat tame for the MGM opening? They used to run similar high hands before the increased $2 JP drop so everyone here thought the reserve would be huge and produce ridiculous promos for this December.

$500 every ten minutes throughout a weekend? I would say that is the opposite of tame and it's well over double what they did for Horseshoe opening. I think Horseshoe counter-promo was $500 every 30 minutes for a smaller time window.

At first read, I thought the promo was insane.

Hey Mike - as a HSPLO player, running it twice after the flop is obviously an improvement from only being able to run it once, so thank you for that. However the rule when two players are all in pre and you deal a flop and then two turns and rivers is really silly. There are enough cards to run two full boards, so what's the deal? Is this a state lottery issue? Thanks Mike.

Really over 1/2 million $$$ in promo-giveaways is Tame?

Obviously.

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