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100% agree. To be fair, I don't know what the floor said to him and I don't know if/how long he will be banned. Just assuming he'll be back in <30 days based on recent events.

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11-02-2016 , 04:15 PM

#10927

AngusThermopyle

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 14,929

Once upon a time, the players policed such actions themselves.

When a player who was known as an X sat down, someone would let the entire table know what sort of person he was and warned them to be vigilant.

Now the players have abdicated their roles in favor of a system that really doesn't care that much about them.

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11-02-2016 , 05:39 PM

#10928

dcmidnight

adept

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

It's really disappointing that people who get caught doing this aren't permanently banned with no chance of return.

Appreciate Brad's post but a +1 to this.

Its mostly disappointing that the ROOM is not dealing adequately with these players and in the end it winds up being up to the fine members of this thread to post information like this. Sad.

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11-02-2016 , 05:49 PM

#10929

Randal_Graves

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10,183

When the chip thief sits at my table I make an announcement about him to everyone else at the table. He got picked up from my table the other day for being away over an hour. He came and asked "what happened to my seat?" I loudly replied "SOMEBODY STOLE IT"

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11-02-2016 , 06:02 PM

#10930

Zero2Hero13

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 234

Is the wifi out?

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11-02-2016 , 06:05 PM

#10931

psujohn

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,173

Permanent ban for going north seems a bit harsh to me. I mean we allow for contrition and accept convicted murderers back into society after a period of time. A considerable ban and a 2 strikes and you're out for going north/south seems more reasonable.

A harsh ban might even serve as a deterrent.

With more competition/choice coming to the area a room needs to be careful it doesn't become the room that's most tolerant of cheaters or it'll become home to all the cheaters and all the fair players will navigate down the road.

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11-02-2016 , 06:08 PM

#10932

Coasterbrad

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,712

As was just discussed in the MGM thread, there is a difference between going north and adding chips mid hand with the nuts. One is breaking a rule and frowned upon, the other is cheating. Cheaters should he banned.

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11-02-2016 , 06:16 PM

#10933

psujohn

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,173

You're correct. Among recs going north between hands might be accidental and even adding chips mid hand might be "i didn't know" among the newbiest of newbs but a reg adding chips mid hand with AA clearly knows he's cheating. I'm not sure it rises to the lifetime ban for me but even for a first time offense it's far worse than a "you're done for the day" in my book.

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11-02-2016 , 06:41 PM

#10934

Wyrm1

journeyman

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 205

I would imagine that the length of the ban is probably inversely proportional to the amount of money the player drops in the casino. I suspect that the poker room's hands are tied when a large casino player does this sort of crap (or the table hopping or any of the other things we bitch about).

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11-02-2016 , 07:41 PM

#10935

The Drifter

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,436

I guarantee you that a player caught stealing chips in the pits would be arrested and face charges. A player caught cheating in the pits (such as adding chips to a winning roulette #) would face a perma-ban, and possible arrest.

Why should the poker room be any different? We're not talking about angle shooters here, we're talking about criminal activity.

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11-02-2016 , 07:56 PM

#10936

Lattimer

I is smart

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 15,463

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Originally Posted by The Drifter

Because when done to the casino, the entity with the power to ban/arrest/etc is the one being cheated, while when done to another player it isn't. One could argue that those shouldn't be treated differently, and that's fine, but they are in fact different.

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11-02-2016 , 08:16 PM

#10937

CTDonkey

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 87

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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad

Just a heads up on a situation that happened last night and a reminder to always pay attention.

A player was caught mid hand (pre-flop but after an open, 3bet, and 4bet) adding black chips to his stack when he had AA, before going all in. He was called out, hand was paused while tapes were reviewed and confirmed that he was cheating. The floor handled the situation well and ruled correctly imo in that the added chips weren't in play, his hand was still live, and the hand would play out. They escorted him out of the room afterwards.

However, seeing as how the last person to be caught doing something ****ty is back paying in the room I fully expect this idiot to be back very shortly. This was a very very regular 2/5 player. You can PM if you want to know who or just ask in the room as many people will know and will be letting others know.

I am confident this guy, and very possibly his acquaintances, have been cheating like this for a long time. It is important that we all pay attention not only to protect ourselves but to protect the recreational players as well. There is no way a rec player would have noticed this or called the guy out for it. It's our job as Regs/Pros/decent human beings to protect the integrity of the game and other players. And you don't have to catch them physically putting chips on the table, just be generally aware. I didn't see this particular scumbag put the chips on but I knew exactly how much he started the hand with and that did not include any black chips.

Did he win the hand?

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11-02-2016 , 08:42 PM

#10938

Coasterbrad

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Originally Posted by CTDonkey

Did he win the hand?

He did. I've never really slow rolled anyone but if I hit I was fully planning to say nice hand, tell him he's a scumbag, cut out the chips, and have the dealer start to push the pot before tabling the winner. Unfortunately I didn't get to do that.

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11-02-2016 , 10:39 PM

#10939

loonybird

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 676

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Originally Posted by socialrunner

The new calendar format looks like it will probably bring random people from the casino into the poker room. That's good for everyone. It is a little harder to find information specifically about the poker tournaments but if it means I'll get to play against more craps players I'm fine with it.

I can't imagine how the new calendar format is going to entice random casino donks to wander into the poker room and give away free money. The new calendar format sucks. You cannot view a month at a glance and that makes it difficult to plan.

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11-03-2016 , 11:39 AM

#10940

kimoser22

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,822

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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad

This. Going north out of the hand is pretty minor (should still be enforced/ caps protect recs and the poker ecosystem) adding chips during the hand is stealing from the other player same as if you grabbed chips from his stack.

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11-03-2016 , 01:13 PM

#10941

ANONNNN

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Originally Posted by Zero2Hero13

Is the wifi out?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using 2+2 Forums

Any answer on this? I was there last night and it wasn't showing up in my network list. Considering coming back tonight and I'd like to know if I need to download some podcasts or something ahead of time.

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11-03-2016 , 01:53 PM

#10942

Rapini

ragging

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,096

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Originally Posted by catfacemeowmers

Download the podcasts. That way you're prepared for the worst-case scenario.

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11-03-2016 , 01:57 PM

#10943

ANONNNN

Guest

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Download the podcasts. That way you're prepared for anything.

I was hoping to postpone the indecision in figuring out WHICH podcast I want to listen to. But you make a valid point.

On a similar note... has anyone ever had an issue where the touchscreen on their iPhone just kind of stops working while plugged in to the USB ports built in to the tables? I've noticed it a handful of times over the past few years and I can't come up with an explanation for it. I end up having to unplug my phone to send a text or whatever.

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11-03-2016 , 02:03 PM

#10944

loonybird

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 676

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Download the podcasts. That way you're prepared for the worst-case scenario.

I'm told that there is a planned outage in progress and it will be out another day or so. Sorry, that's as specific as it gets. This came from a dealer

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11-03-2016 , 02:13 PM

#10945

Coasterbrad

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,712

^^Yes, that is a common issue for iPhones plugged in at the table from what I've heard. I think if you use the regular outlet instead of the USB port if may fix the issue.

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11-03-2016 , 03:17 PM

#10946

The Apex

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3,603

Yeah use wall outlet, won't have that problem

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11-03-2016 , 04:32 PM

#10947

Travler18

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 23

Does anyone here have experience playing in the 2/2 PLO game? I've never played PLO live but was thinking about giving it a shot next time I'm at MDL.

Do most players buy in for closer to $500 or closer to $200?

How common are straddles?

How big does it tend to play?

Any other general advice for the game?

Thanks!

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11-03-2016 , 10:17 PM

#10948

Zodoesntknow

enthusiast

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 78

I don't know if this is the correct place to post this question: if the casino has a promotion that says "earn x amount of points and receive whatever the prize may be" can those points be earned by poker hours?

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11-04-2016 , 04:35 PM

#10949

schadius

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 65

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Originally Posted by Travler18

It plays like a true 2/2. No rounding up. Some buy in for $200, some for $500. No rhyme or reason. Some folks straddle, others never do.

Sometimes the game plays big, other times it is a nitfest. Last night another player folded a 16-card nut wrap on the turn for a pot bet of $87. Three hands later, he got in $862 on the flop with open ender and flush draws against my set and flush blockers.

Most regs are pleasant, a few are not.

Sorry there isn't better info, but please let me know when you are going!

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11-04-2016 , 06:36 PM

#10950

FeliciaLee

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,912

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Originally Posted by Travler18

Does anyone here have experience playing in the 2/2 PLO game? I've never played PLO live but was thinking about giving it a shot next time I'm at MDL.

I play that most of the time. It is much looser pre-flop than my forays into PLO previously (<2008).

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Do most players buy in for closer to $500 or closer to $200?

Both.

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How common are straddles?

Common in my experience.

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How big does it tend to play?

Sometimes not huge, but a lot of the time bigger than you would think. 2/2 blinds, $5 straddle, someone raises the pot, five people to the flop.

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Any other general advice for the game?

I was playing way too tight until a few days ago. It seemed like if there was only the $5 straddle everyone was seeing a flop except me. It wasn't odd at all to constantly hear the dealer say: "Eight players," "Seven players," virtually every hand. Even playing super loose (~30% hands) I'm sure everyone at the table thinks I'm a total nit.

Good luck!

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