I think I had the same dealer, and while I agree the dealer can do some subtle things to keep the game rolling, interpreting the board or pushing someone to act is out of line. Especially if someone clearly knows the action is on them. You may have the nuts or nothing....but in both cases it is not necessarily easy to determine how to extract MAX chips or what your bet size should be to get a fold.

-20 never went because we were playing 30 instead. And they weren't going to call 20 at the risk of breaking the 30 game.

-some of the people on the 20 list got taken off because they took 30 seats.

-for the rest of you who got bounced from list - what, in your estimation, is the proper amount of time for them to keep a stale list? 8 hours? 24 hours? 48 hours? They have to clean up the lists at some point.

Oh I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But in other rooms they will often read off a list like that, especially for medium/higher limit games, to have people confirm their interest in getting the game started - so they can clear it of people who left or who are playing other games. Lets say 4 hours go by, they'll read the list and get people to say yeah, please leave us on there.

And look, from a mgmt standpoint, if they dont want to get a 20 game going - then dont start a list. Its just stupid to allow a list to get going if you already know youre not going to call it because youre afraid it will affect other games.

This isn't really the floor's fault for what its worth. Here's the deal - 50 used to go on Thursdays and 20 went Friday and Saturday. 50 has dried up recently and we started playing 30 on and off on Wednesday nights as a compromise in stakes (some/most 20 regs would play 30, but very few would play 50).

30 has now kinda bled over a little bit to the weekends. If those of us who want to play bigger get there early and start the game, we start it as 30, not 20, regardless of whether the bravo list is 20 or 30. But people expect 20 to go on weekends, so the 20 list grows even though 30 is running. This puts the floor in a tough spot because they might have enough people to play both games, but there's a good chance that starting 20 breaks 30.

So anyhow, agree that having both 20 and 30 on bravo is overall a bad idea, but they're both there basically as a concession to some folks who consistently play the limit games and want to play a little bigger than 20.

Well thats sweet for those of you that know these things. But for those of us who come in maybe once a month and arent privy to the machinations of what is going on - we rely on the floor/desk/mgmt to take care of stuff like this.

Thats sarcasm fwiw, I obviously dont hold this against you. But hopefully you can understand why its very frustrating for players to not have a floor/desk that is on top of these things. If Mike et al doesnt want to start a game - then dont take a list. They were calling open seating for the 30 game for the last few hours I was there so the 30 game wasnt full.

Anyway, I was in another game so I wasnt sitting around. But for example, if I had checked the Bravo and saw the 20 game had 8 on the list - I might make the drive up. If I did and got there only to wait around all night - not knowing all the player-driven backroom dealings - then yeah in that case I might be pretty miffed.

Yeah - its frankly self-serving for me and a few other people that we're playing 30 instead of 20 when we can and I get your frustration. There's a lot of back story I'm happy to get into if you want to discuss via PM but I won't clutter the thread with it.

Could the floor do a better job of managing? Sure they could, but we're really talking about 1 table out the many they're managing, so i kinda give them a pass.

Anyhow, Fwiw, my recommendation for you if you only want to play 20 and not 30 is, if you see 30 running on bravo and a list for 20, just assume 20 won't go.

And, FWIW, I don't think this is a fair characterization of what happened. Its not like there was some secret meeting in a smoke-filled room w. Md live staff...we just started playing 30 instead of 20 recently.

Sorry there should be a sarcasm font. But my gist holds, if there are a few players that "know" whats going on with the two games and not everyone else does - it sort of puts other people in a tough spot.

I would have happily played 30 if I had been staying longer, will have to get up there again soon.

Valet is 20 without a players card but expected rates WITH one; surely for holiday shoppers

I don't know what I was hoping for the structure on the 5:15 Sunday $100 MTT but it failed to meet even my lowest expectations.

Haven't seen a structure this close to the nut low for no good reason since C-Town or SHR Tampa.

Valet was $10 w/o a card, $5 with one. Did they change that?

$20 w.out card, $5 with.

As mentioned above, the change is to dissuade shoppers from using the casino valet.

I think I had this guy too. Pretty quick and controlled the game well.

However - he misdealt once and gave me a second card. Then took a peek at my cards (AJo) I decided to fold as I was looking to move away from a table full of shallow stacks. When the flop comes KTQ he looks at me and comments I should have played. Influences the game with 4 others still playing.

Difficult to correct unless I took him aside to talk about it - his priority is making max tips per hour so chances are he won't change.

But how did he know your hand

I think he meant the dealer peeked at his cards.

Received a flyer in the mail today about converting comps into slot money.....

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Any additional details are greatly appreciated, dates any maximum amount per day etc.,

GolfPro

There was a promotion for Platinum players in October that I got an email about that sounds similar. Here was the relevant text from that email:

"Come in and exchange your Self-Comps for Free Slot Play beginning 10/21 at 8:00AM through 10/22 at 11:59PM. Must redeem a minimum of $10 in Self-Comps per transaction up to a maximum of $200 Self-Comps per day. Every $2 of Self-Comps is worth $1 in Free Slot Play."

It's always a bad conversion rate. Unless you have so many comps that you can't eat it all (even in Prime Rib?), 2:1 is pretty bad.

Gold members = 2:1 slot play 11/27-11/29

I would be discussing this with the floor.

He's going to have a hard time making tips from me if he behaves this way at the table.


--klez

Lol wow 50% plus house edge in slots so you get maybe 40% ev for them? I guess if you have a ton or you already play slots or you think everything is actually 2.5x overpriced but still...

that happened at the beginning of this month.
covert comps to free slot plat at 50%

so they're offering it again?

hm.. whats the status of allowing comps at cheesecake factory?

Those who are balking at the 2:1 conversion on the comps to slot play must not be familiar with what most other casinos do - this rate is fairly standard throughout the casino industry.

I miss the days where we could convert them at 1:1 here but having the option to do them at 2:1 is nice. An update on the Cheesecake Factory situation would be good.

Looks like Live! was awarded the final casino license for Philadelphia today. They plan on building a complex in the Stadium district there. Maybe we'll have more/better options to use our comps there in a year or two...