I mean you can do the same thing by simply getting up and then asking to be put back on the list. So if you can "beat" the system in either case, whats the difference?

Other places I believe generally have a rule where you need to sit out/go away for like 30 (60?) minutes if you want to pocket earnings, presumably under the assumption that most players don't want to sit out for any length of time?

I mean, the idea is to keep money in play. Allowing effective ratholing is bad for the game, similar to consistent hit n runners.

the difference is that once you sit up, you usually have to wait at least 30 min to get back into the game

Pretty much, although a limit on table change requests could be installed.

The counter-argument to your point is how fair is it for a deep stacked player to ask for a table change to a table where no one is deep stacked?

For example, a fairly new 1/2NL table might have stacks in the $90 - $350 range. Is it fair to those players for a person with, say, $600+ sit down there?

Or, consider the scenario where someone has a nice little run, and ends up being a big stack. Yeah! Time to relax a little and enjoy the advantage. All of a sudden, someone with an even bigger stack sits down and spoils that person's fun. Sure, it might be good for the incoming player, but it doesn't seem fair to me for the player(s) already there.

This is one of those points that reasonable people can and do disagree on. We all have our preferences.

I just fervently hope that whatever rules are settled on are enforced consistently!

Lee

MDL has a similar rule. If you want to pocket earnings and come back to the SAME table then you have to wait 1 hour. When you get up and move to another table on your own, you are going to a "brand new" game in the casino's eyes so you have to buy-in for min/max.

This. If not will you close cash tables in order to accommodate the # of entrants?

Just a heads up to everyone.. even if you purchase a beverage at Bobby's Burger Palace directly in front of the security guard, you won't be allowed to bring it into the casino. I had to toss my bottle of water I bought there with my burger and another guy who got a milkshake wasn't allowed to bring it in either.

Also, Mike I would make sure your dealers are aware of dealing to all stacks (when they haven't missed their blinds) in the time games. There was a lot of inconsistency there.

Two Words: effective stacks.

Agreed, definitely points in favor of either approach. I don't think I've seen MDL's approach other places I've played though. (I could be mistaken on this of course.)

^This.

On opening day, a few of us at 1/2 had built fairly large stacks. (1K+) A guy comes over and sits with about 800, mostly black chips. I asked him if he came from a broken game. Yes, he says. I ask "1/2?". Yes, he says. After the hand in progress was finished, the dealer (who was probably listening) asks him to remove all but $300 from the table. The player says "I came from a broken game." The dealer says "Really?" And starts looking around like he's about to call the floor. The player says "Don't worry about it" and takes most his chips off.

One instance of a dealer doing everything right.

So is MD Live an icebox like Ctown or will I be ok in shorts/short sleeved shirt?

I asked this question a few days ago and was told it was your typical casino. Having been there now, but not able to set foot in the poker room, I thought it was a pretty decent room temperature.

I found it very comfortable at the soft opening in shorts and a short sleeved shirt. I did not notice the temp at all.


--klez

Hard to say. Everyone has his/her own tolerance to temperature. During the soft opening, I saw a range of clothing options from shorts/t-shirt to pants/jacket. Take a sweatshirt or jacket with you the first trip and assess for yourself. If it turns out you don't need it, it's at worst a mild inconvenience for you hang it on the back of your chair. But you'll know that you never have to bring it with you in the future.

I find that the temp is slightly different in the room especially by floor. The top seems warmer.

But both levels are pretty decent. I'd say downstairs felt like 66 and upstairs like 69? When I had my pull over on upstairs I was too warm.

After 2 days and 15+ hours of play my opinion is that it depends on where you are sitting in the room. There were periods when a t-shirt was fine but then the AC would start blowing directly above me and the hoodie that I brought along would come in handy. This is something that I experienced at CT as well. I would recommend bringing a sweatshirt or something else just in case.

Tom,

A fair question - I was just being lazy in not spending more time at the moment on this. I've been very busy with work lately.

But, here is some pertinent information showing the dangers of e-cigarettes:

From the Mayo Clinic, Dr. Lowell Dale, M.D. is the author:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ele...rettes/AN02025

A New York Times article in 2009 detailed some of the risks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/he...fda.html?_r=3&

The most pertinent part (the bolding is mine):

" “We’re concerned about them because of what we know is in them and what we don’t know about how they affect the human body,” said Joshua Sharfstein, the F.D.A.’s principal commissioner.

The agency analyzed 19 varieties of cartridges, which hold the liquid, and two cigarettes, one manufactured by NJoy and another by Smoking Everywhere.

The analysis found that several of the cartridges contained detectable levels of nitrosamines, tobacco-specific compounds known to cause cancer. One Smoking Everywhere cartridge was found to contain diethlyene glycol, a common ingredient in antifreeze that counterfeiters have substituted for glycerin in toothpaste, killing hundreds worldwide."

Much more recently, a June 27, 2013 article quotes the FDA's findings (the bolding is mine):

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/434233/...f-e-cigarettes


"In a statement, the FDA said that e-cigarettes were not emission-free and that they contained “volatile organic substances,” like propylene glycol, and “carcinogenic” metals like nickel and chromium.

“The public, especially the youth sector, is advised not to start smoking at all and to stop using cigarettes, cigars, or e-cigarettes,” the FDA said.

“These ultra-fine liquid particles of less than 2.5 micrometer in diameter may penetrate deeply into the lungs … second-hand exposure to e-cigarette emission, which may lead to adverse health effects, cannot be excluded,” it added.

The FDA said a study conducted by the German Cancer Research Center and the World Health Organization-Collaborating Centre for Tobacco Control showed that besides glycol, e-cigarette emissions also contained, nicotine, flavors, tobacco-specific nitrosamines, volatile organic compounds, acetone, form aldehyde, acetaldehyde, silicate and various metal particles.

“The particle size is between 100 and 600 nanometers, which is comparable to the particle size found in tobacco smoke of conventional cigarettes,” the FDA said.

“The levels of most harmful substances are lower in the e-cigarettes than in conventional cigarette smoke, but they do accumulate in indoor air,” it added.

The FDA said the study also showed that sodium, iron, aluminum, and nickel were present “at higher levels than with those known in cigarette smoke.”

“Five others, namely copper, magnesium, lead, chromium, manganese, were present in the same amount, while potassium and zinc were present at lower levels,” the agency said.

The FDA noted that nickel and chromium are carcinogenic or substances that might cause cancer while lead is suspected to be carcinogenic.

“If several people are using e-cigarettes in a room at the same time, considerable indoor air pollution will accumulate and may result to harmful second-hand exposure,” it said.

The agency said local government units should strengthen their ordinances against smoking in public places and on second-hand exposure to harmful substances."

Another article, which also mentions the concerns about e-cigarettes by the American Cancer Society:

http://www.**********/causes/electro...-to-think.html

Warnings have also been issued by the American Lung Association, as written about on May 30, 2013:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/nation...g-some-say-yes

The World Health Organization has come out against them, as have other notable health groups and organizations.

Several countries, including Brazil, Canada, Panama, Singapore, Lebanon, and others, either ban e-cigarettes outright or limit their use to those places where regular cigarettes are allowed (generally, no public use).

States in this country such as New Jersey, California, and others do the same. All because of the risks involved, not just to the user, but to the genrel public through the dangers of second hand "vapor".

If the FDA, American Cancer Society, WHO, and other leading health organizations all say that e-cigarettes are dangerous, why should Maryland Live! risk its patrons health by allowing them?

Please do some more research. None of this is hard to find, or buried. There is lots more, including medical studies done in such countries as New Zealand and Germany by highly respected authorities, that also supports the dangers of e-cigarettes.

I could go on, but this should suffice. I've got to get back to work.

Lee

Mike,

Any chance of getting a 1-2 NLHE/PLO mix going?

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According the the MDL website. Mixed games are available upon request.

This would be amazing.

I might swing by tonight. Will ask about it.

Would have to be 2-2 $500 max, right? I don't think Mike would lower the PLO stakes for a mixed game request.

I would be willing to sign up for this game. Let's make it happen.

It seems the prudent thing to do would be to err on the side of caution, and those with respiratory ailments.


--klez

Valid point. Whereas $1/2 is $300 max.

Can't hurt to ask. Maybe they can find a middle ground somewhere in that mix.

1/2 NL & 2/2 PLO: $200 - $400 maybe?

I forget the combination of games (it was something highish limit and something middlish NL) but at Parx, when this came up, the buy-ins for the higher game were used.

So, in this case, the buy-in would be the same as for the 2/2 PLO game.

Just a thought.

Lee