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03-20-2014 , 02:55 PM
Anybody interested in arranging a time to play a satellite SnG sometime Friday?
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03-20-2014 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/5_specialist

Issue 1: We had a 3 way all in preflop with 1.6K in the pot.

Flop came 7 7 8 then 10 9

Seat 2: AAXX
Seat 6: A 10 K K
Seat 1 is interesting because he had 5 cards. That's right, the dude had 5 cards

8 9 J Q 3

Here we go: Since is 3 way all in preflop so no more betting just showdown after the river. Seat 1 said he had the straight but when turned the cards over he had 5 cards and we all look at him and said, WTF? How that happen? He said he doesn't know and thought that when someone mucked, the card some how flew under his cards so when he turned them over, he just picked up the extra card.

Here comes the floor: At first, young white blouse lady didn't know how to rule so she went to consult higher up and came back and said seat 1's hand is dead. Seat 1 said I had the straight and ask for the camera review and the floor said no, no and no for 10 minutes. The pot was finally awarded to seat 2 with AAXX.

Is this ruling correct or fair?
Ruling is correct and fair. Any player showing down with 5 cards has a dead hand. It is also the players responisibilty to protect his hand. Even if a mucked card flew in is hand, player is responsible.
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03-20-2014 , 03:37 PM
Mike,

Seems like the advance sign-up for the Classic events is going rather well; win-win for everybody: you get advance $$, and we don't have to wait in line. How about enabling this service for the regular tourns after the Classic ?

It would prevent a lot of aggravation, especially on bounty nights. We
wouldn't have to rush over after work, hoping to avoid the dreaded alternate list.
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03-20-2014 , 03:42 PM
Friendly reminder how crazy today will be for those coming. Long cash lines and upstairs all for tourney at 6pm.
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03-20-2014 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dean327
Ruling is correct and fair. Any player showing down with 5 cards has a dead hand. It is also the players responisibilty to protect his hand. Even if a mucked card flew in is hand, player is responsible.
If a player has his hand protected and someone slides mucked cards into them what happens? I thought the hand wasn't dead.
If the hand is not dead because the hand is protected and it's not immediately obvious which cards are the players then what happens?
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03-20-2014 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yg13
Anybody interested in arranging a time to play a satellite SnG sometime Friday?
That's day 2 of the Main Event. Better get it done before entry closes, or it's a sattellite to nowhere.
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03-20-2014 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
Yes I think I was drinking when I posted. I'll post exact tomorrow. It was Mountain Dew by the way
Sugar rush we all had them so it's all good
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03-20-2014 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Drifter
That's day 2 of the Main Event. Better get it done before entry closes, or it's a sattellite to nowhere.
Nope, it would be a satellite to the main event. Friday is Day 1A. Winner of the satellite would just hop into Saturday, which is Day 1B. Sunday 3/23 is Day 2.
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03-20-2014 , 05:03 PM
Just bought my seat for the bounty tourney tonight and I was #212!
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03-20-2014 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Berge20
Friendly reminder how crazy today will be for those coming. Long cash lines and upstairs all for tourney at 6pm.
Dang Bravo shows long wait lines and with their wonky seating system, it is a pain to battle traffic and then wait at the casino.

Mike - are your floor staff getting training or at the least being monitored to ensure they move folks to seats efficiently?

I am sorry if I am out of line for asking - but this has been a continuing problem. Empty seats and waitlist = a player in seat asap!
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03-20-2014 , 07:16 PM
Mike
There is NO excuse for 12 open seat and NO names called for 30 minutes when there's a 90+ list. It's even worse when the brush takes a "we'll call names when we get around to it" attitude.

Welcome to CT North.
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03-20-2014 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
I'm pretty sure 5 cards in Omaha is a dead hand, but I'll check.

Cash doesn't play unless the player has asked for chips and we're in transit with his chips

Yes you should get $3.75, but if you were still logged into the table, it wouldn't show up



Thanks



Mike
Mike,

Issue 1: I would appreciate it if you have your staff look over the tape and see how this guy got five cards in the 2/2 PLO game. This happened on Wednesday between 9:30 to 10:30 AM, table 9 right infront of the bar. I am curious how he got 5 cards because I don't want to play with a magician if you know what I mean. He's Asian and was seating at seat 1 from 8 AM to 11:30ish and went to 5/5 when they opened the new 5/5.

Did he protect his cards? Nobody knows because we were too concentrated on our own cards and we only found out when he turned them over. This is why we need the eyes in the sky to clarify it but the floor said no.

Issue 2: The guy did the second re-buy and was short stack again so he put out another $ 100 behind his chips and it was on the table until dealer change shift. I don't recall if he asked for chips but it was there for 1/2 hour and we all assumed is in play. I said pot and he said repot all in then new dealer called the floor about the $ 100 behind. Floor said it doesn't play b/c dealer cannot confirmed or made aware of the $100 to all players.

So does it play here?

Issue 3: Ok. I was still logged in at the table when I went to swipe my card for the comp balance.
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03-20-2014 , 08:50 PM
Tonight's WL is very similar to last Thursday night. However, last Saturday from 9 AM to 2 PM the WL was less than 20 for both 1/2, 2/5 and 2/2.

Mike,

Would this Saturday's WL be like tonight with the main event going? How many tables are reserved for the touney this Saturday because I need to time it accordingly for the cash games and don't plan to wait for more than one hour.

Thanks.
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03-20-2014 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith

Cash doesn't play unless the player has asked for chips and we're in transit with his chips


Mike
Mike,

This needs clarification. My understanding was that when a player puts cash on the table, before being dealt cards, and the dealer state's that this player has x dollars behind then the money is in play.
From your statement it sounds like the cash is not in play until the chip runner picks up the cash.
When exactly is the cash in play?
Is it not until the chip runner picks it up? If it is what happens if the chip runner picks it up in the middle of a hand? Is it in play for that hand or the next?

Twice yesterday a player was all in with cash behind and in one instance the player shipped the cash to the winning player.
In the second instance the player with cash behind won the hand and collected chips equal to that amount of cash.
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03-20-2014 , 10:20 PM
2/5 an extra card in your hand means it's a dead hand anywhere. Awhile ago someone showed down five cards in an 8-16 Omaha game I was in and the hand was ruled dead. There is no need for a camera, if you have five cards at showdown you lose and forfeit all money you have put in the pot. It's not that hard to understand, please read Roberts rules and learn something before continuing to repeat the same nonsense over and over.

If you protect your cards, you will never have five cards at showdown. If you don't protect your cards, you have no recourse if it becomes fouled in such a way. Pretty easy. How his hand was fouled is irrelevant. He didn't protect it, it's fouled, he showed down five cards and now it's dead. Next hand.
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03-20-2014 , 11:02 PM
Anyone interested in trying to get a sit and go $570 satelite going sometime early Saturday before Day 1B gets started?
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03-21-2014 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by avalon88
Mike,

Seems like the advance sign-up for the Classic events is going rather well; win-win for everybody: you get advance $$, and we don't have to wait in line. How about enabling this service for the regular tourns after the Classic ?

It would prevent a lot of aggravation, especially on bounty nights. We
wouldn't have to rush over after work, hoping to avoid the dreaded alternate list.
Not yet, but maybe soon

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Originally Posted by zoltan
Mike
There is NO excuse for 12 open seat and NO names called for 30 minutes when there's a 90+ list. It's even worse when the brush takes a "we'll call names when we get around to it" attitude.



Welcome to CT North.
We needed to break a game downstairs. I warned veryone Thursdays would be challenging

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Originally Posted by 2/5_specialist
Tonight's WL is very similar to last Thursday night. However, last Saturday from 9 AM to 2 PM the WL was less than 20 for both 1/2, 2/5 and 2/2.

Mike,

Would this Saturday's WL be like tonight with the main event going? How many tables are reserved for the touney this Saturday because I need to time it accordingly for the cash games and don't plan to wait for more than one hour.

Thanks.
I don't think it will be much different than last week. Again, we expressed that Thursdays would be tough. Most of the other days we had plenty of room

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Originally Posted by RP54
Mike,

This needs clarification. My understanding was that when a player puts cash on the table, before being dealt cards, and the dealer state's that this player has x dollars behind then the money is in play.
From your statement it sounds like the cash is not in play until the chip runner picks up the cash.
When exactly is the cash in play?
Is it not until the chip runner picks it up? If it is what happens if the chip runner picks it up in the middle of a hand? Is it in play for that hand or the next?

Twice yesterday a player was all in with cash behind and in one instance the player shipped the cash to the winning player.
In the second instance the player with cash behind won the hand and collected chips equal to that amount of cash.
If we are aware and the player has expressed to us that he wants chips, he's good. But if someone simply sets a stack of 100's on the table, those aren't in play. Hope that makes sense

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Originally Posted by Jeffage
2/5 an extra card in your hand means it's a dead hand anywhere. Awhile ago someone showed down five cards in an 8-16 Omaha game I was in and the hand was ruled dead. There is no need for a camera, if you have five cards at showdown you lose and forfeit all money you have put in the pot. It's not that hard to understand, please read Roberts rules and learn something before continuing to repeat the same nonsense over and over.

If you protect your cards, you will never have five cards at showdown. If you don't protect your cards, you have no recourse if it becomes fouled in such a way. Pretty easy. How his hand was fouled is irrelevant. He didn't protect it, it's fouled, he showed down five cards and now it's dead. Next hand.

Thank you







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Mike

Last edited by Mike Smith; 03-21-2014 at 09:24 AM.
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03-21-2014 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 410live
Anyone interested in trying to get a sit and go $570 satelite going sometime early Saturday before Day 1B gets started?
Yes. What time
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03-21-2014 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 410live
Anyone interested in trying to get a sit and go $570 satelite going sometime early Saturday before Day 1B gets started?
Yes as well. Time?

Also, how are the wait lists right now? Friday around 1:40?
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03-21-2014 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NoReads TimeToJam
Yes as well. Time?

Also, how are the wait lists right now? Friday around 1:40?
Main event starts 11:15. I can be at live around 7 am. Let's get this done
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03-21-2014 , 03:29 PM
I can be there by 8 if we are able to get enough interest.
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03-21-2014 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 410live
I can be there by 8 if we are able to get enough interest.
We have 3 in this thread at least and I'm sure we can get enough from people already there. Worth a shot
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03-21-2014 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by yg13
We have 3 in this thread at least and I'm sure we can get enough from people already there. Worth a shot
There is one in progress so there are some players here. We are going to try and commit a table through the night to run these



Thanks



Mike
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03-21-2014 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Smith
There is one in progress so there are some players here. We are going to try and commit a table through the night to run these



Thanks



Mike
Mike,

I personally won't be able to make it until tomorrow morning. Can we get your help on instructing the brush and podium staff to make announcements over the pa about interest for the SnG satellite? I don't know how close you are to meeting your guarantee but it sure would help.
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03-21-2014 , 05:51 PM
Currently standing and staring at two 4/8 limit seats that have been open at least ten minutes. There are 20+ names on the list and they call one every five minutes maybe. There are 3 empty tables upstairs.

Mike this would never happen at the borgata.
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