im glad mike said something first...could you imagine how fast this could be abused??? stealing them, passing them over to someone, getting extra chips, having more made since they are rather generic anyway...plenty of issues.

Mike,

In regards to the new promotions for the room, please include the idea that coy_roy suggested:

A TOC ticket to the Winner of the daily. Once a month TOC tournament with a some GTD money would be great. You can allow direct buy-ins to reduce the variance if required.

GolfPro

Yea cause you're perfect and never made a mistake. Please. I'm not hard to find if you wanna play at my table.

Been thinking about this...and one lammer with an explicit emblem that let everyone at table know the player has chips behind would work. Sounds like its not happening and it won't happen to me again so kind of a moot point. At least I know how to spell lammers now :-)

Does anyone know how much is in the BBJ reserve?
They are only putting 25% of the BB rake into the BBJ. 75% goes into the reserve. By my estimation there must be several hundred thousand in reserve. The only thing paid out from the reserve is Royal Flushes which everyone knows are rare. At a full table they pay $1,400 for a RF.
Does Maryland Live keep some of the BB rake? If so, what percentage?

We're playing 50/100 lhe or 25/50 (if the 50 game doesn't go) tonight at 730ish. Come play if that's your sort of thing.

A comment about players playing with money behind: sat at a 1/2 table. Was playing five hands or so when the dealers changed. Old dealer announces to the new dealer seats 2,4 & 7 are playing w/money behind. I never had a clue.

I think it is the other way around. I am also curious about it though. I hinted at the same thing earlier and mike said they have other promotions planned. I am eager to see what they will be.

I really didn't think this was ever a real problem until your comment. This is really bad and hopefully it was just an anomaly.

Or could just allow cash to play on the table like any normal casino

You need a liquor license for either....but chipotle also has passable margaritas.

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I don't think it is at all standard for cash to play, especially in low stakes games.

We don't keep any of the BBJP. 100% of all funds will be returned in some type of jackpot, High Hand, Royal Flush, Cash Giveaways, etc.


Thanks



Mike

This was exactly the reason that chip runners stopped serving players at Charles Town. When they first opened, action was fast and furious, and chips were rebought often. It wasn't rare to see people go all in using the lammers in place of chips, which caused the WVa Lotto to flip their wigs, as it meant lammers were being used as chips. Players would end up with lammers mixed in the pot, and when the chip runner got back, the losing player would tell the runner to give the chips to the winner. It was chaotic beyond the norm, which it is saying something for early days at CTown. They also had lammers accidently be left behind by inexperienced runners (the only kind at the time) which some players would pocket. These would then reappear later when a player gave the runner $200, but somehow had $300 worth of lammers in front of them.

The potential for abuse by dishonest players and mistakes by runners makes giving players lammers a liability for card rooms.

many casinos don't allow cash to play. I think something needs to be done though, like giving them lammers or stocking the racks with more chips and allowing players to buy from dealers.

The solution I use is to buy some extra blacks or greens (depends on the game I'm going to be playing) when I first buy my chips and sell those to players that are rebuying and then get blacks from the chip runners. This keeps the game from being slowed down by players playing behind.

I think we are taking an isolated situation where the table was not paying attention to a player who lost all or most of his stack, said player reaching into his pocket and pulling out X amount of dollars, the dealer calling for chip runner to table X, the chip runner arriving at table X and collecting said money, the chip runner announcing seat X is X amount of dollars behind and dealer repeating seat X is X amount if dollars behind or are we to believe that none if this happened and the chip runner just came and took X amount of dollars and said nothing. I wasn't there so can't tell either or but if by highly unlikely chance it was the second scenario it was out of the ordinary and not the norm.

PS usually when I am playing the chip leader at the table (which is usually me ) would cash some or all of the cash to keep the game moving.

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Played for 6 hrs today and payed very close attention to dealers when players were behind almost all did a good job letting everyone know. One dealer it made a point to announce the player was behind multiple times in one hand.

Regardless, the situation last night that started this whole convo the dealer did a VERY poor job of letting anyone know and pretty much nobody at the table knew this guy had chips coming.

I still think one lammer with an explicit emblem that just lets everyone at the table know the player has $$ behind. It doesn't have to be $100 or $500 lammers just one or two lammers at each table that just lets everyone know the player has money coming. OR they could imply the rule that the player has to leave the cash on the table until he gets his chips.

I think the thing more people want to know is how does the BBJP (both mini and regular) grow, what percentages of the drop go where, etc.? Would you please give us a breakdown?

Socialrunner it is correct 25% to BBJ and 75% to reserve. You can read this on the poker rules displayed on the tv's in the room.

Mike
I am not a big fan of BBJ's but I think seeding the BB after it was hit should be more than $20,000 since there is such a large sum of money in reserve.
At 20k the mini is only worth $2,000 to be divided up between the Loser, Winner and the other players at the table.

this doesn't really work at the bigger games though, at one point yesterday we had guys playing 5k or 10k behind.

Most casinos in vegas allow 100s to play on the table at 1/2+

There are very few games in this room where a player can be behind by that much.

But, whatever the stakes, the real solution is to pay attention. It gets announced at least twice.

True, but I haven't seen it anywhere outside of Vegas. Maybe it's a legal issue.

Personally, I would welcome it, but there would be issues with it that people would still bitch about.

and b/c of the amount it took 15 mins. What if a new player comes? Players easily forget. There is often some players that prefer to play short or not have the money play until it actually comes and that can create weird situations.