I've never seen this.
guess it doesn't happen often at low limit tables.

how is red/black played? betting on red or black cards on the flop?

I was also at the table when it happened and was shocked it went down so fast. It felt similar to being pulled over by that rookie 22 year old cop who's power tripping now that hes an authority figure and has several blunt objects stuck up his ass. Some idiot security lady also demanded to see nuggetz's ID while they were escorting him to leave...dumb bitch. First of all he plays there regularly and knows all of the staff, and secondly he is leaving anyway.
As busticator mentioned, we could only hope that someday they could show this type of effort for filling seats promptly instead of us having to do their job for them.

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Yep, I take red and you take black. Whichever majority flops wins the prop.

That's great to hear and sounds like a good solution.

Count me in that group. I knew that paying from your stack was frowned upon (the same as taking chips off the table), but I would have thought that paying out of your own pocket was ok.

Once again, I learn from 2p2.

i hope mike comments on the propr bet issue, but i would guess that this is illegal by maryland law and the casino can be held liable, by a fine or worse, for allowing it to happen without some type of discipline such as suspension of a player. when it comes to affecting a casinos ability to operate, it makes no difference if your a whale dropping a million dollars a night or a 4-8 limit player, its serious and the casino needs to act. I guarantee the casino will never absorb the blame for anyone, it will be the first to point the finger. In addition it IS the players responsibility to know the rules, not the responsibility of the casino to tell them to you, just to make them readily available. If a warning is given, I would consider that very lucky to the player and very generous of the floor.

You can't bring bobby burger back to the table. The security won't let you bring outside drinks or food into the casino. Bobbies is outside food.

Edit: i don't mind much, I'll rather just take a break from the tables.

Even though bobbies is outside competition, they still might be able to negotiate a deal for delivery/comps where casino would take a cut.

There was a story a few years ago about a young pro who was banned from a LV casino for flipping coins in a hotel room for $100 a flip.

Iirc, he was interviewed and told the story on the Pokercast.


A few thoughts:

• I don't know how the state addresses issues like this, but if they deal with it in a way similar to how they deal with waiters and store clerks selling alcohol to minors, then not only can the casino get fined, but so can anyone who is aware of the prop bet and allows it to happen.

If this is the case, and I'm the floor (or dealer), then I'm going to be far less interested in not offending a couple of players than I am in covering my ass.

• This is still a very new room, and I suspect it is under much closer scrutiny from the regulators than a room that has been around for several years.

• Being new, this is also a good time for the room to make some points about what they will and won't tolerate. Tossing a couple of players over this on the first offense, without a warning, sends a pretty stout message that will get around.

• This also happened in a 10/25 NL game, right? This is a big game for the room, and mgt. might reasonably assume that players in this game are more aware of what one can and cannot do in a casino than some random 1/2 player who's new to casino poker, and who might not be aware that everything he sees in televised poker isn't really legal in a real card room.

• Wouldn't surprise me if the drunk actually had been warned by that floor, and you look enough like the guy he warned along with the drunk that he confused you with the previously warned guy. Or Angus had it right, and you're just collateral damage.


--klez

Another thought: we aren't getting the full story.

A good portion of MDLive's patrons are coming from out of state. But it's reasonable to assume MD residents should be aware of how strict our gambling laws are. Almost every rouge online site blocks us, home games are outlawed, and we just went through the whole Question 7 election. So yeah, the casino has to be very strict about this. The only gambling allowed is that which is specifically licensed. Even that has to have 3 guys watching the 2 guys who watch the guy watching it all. (Ever been there when they change out the rake drop boxes?)

It may seem like a small thing, a prop bet. But the casino is the last place you should be doing this. A 24 hour ban seems appropriate, imo. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.

They have already been fined for under aged people gambling in the casino, and these are people they caught themselves and kicked out of casino so I guess they must report it to the gaming or lottery commission themselves.

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OK - lesson learned - when playing red/black, make sure you play for "points" and not "dollars."

This afternoon at MDL, a 1/2NL hand occurs where I am heads-up on the river. I am in the 8 seat, and the other player in the hand is in the 1 seat. The pot is ~$270. I'm first to act and bet $100. The player in seat 1 tanks for 15 seconds or so, and then says something and flips his cards up and approximately six inches forward in front of his stack.
I hear the word "fold" as he flips his cards, so I start sliding my cards face-down to the dealer. The dealer doesn't say anything, and another player keeps me from mucking my hand. The player—whose first language isn't English, if that's relevant—apparently said "I haven't fold" or "I don't fold" while flipping his cards up and slightly forward. At this point, he then tanks for another two minutes before calling (potentially because he saw me and his hand is good.
I'm not too worried about the pot, but I was just wondering what specifically constitutes a fold; is it forward motion of cards while facing a bet, or do the cards have to touch the muck? And should I have called a supervisor, or is the flip-cards-up-and-forward-while-tanking move a standard and acceptable practice?
Again, I'm not upset about the situation, I'm just curious what the official rule is.

Whatever the rule, wait until the dealer buries your opponent's cards into the muck and starts shoving the pot to you before you even think that your opponent has folded. Saves a lot of headaches.

You're allowed to bring back food from Bobby's and Cheesecake Factory

I believe if he had said fold the dealer would have immediately started pushing the pot towards you so he was just trying to get a reaction out of you. So what was the outcome of the hand?

That's ok I c u said his hand was good! I guess I need to pay more attention on here and at the tables!!!!

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Damn that's good to know. Thanks. I just assumed the security would stop you.

They only stop drinks from getting in.

2 separate rooms in Tunica have different solutions.

At the Grand, they have a self-serve soda fountain near the tournament

At the Gold Strike, they have a self-serve hot dog warmer with a steamed bun tray underneath.

Both are complimentary to players.

That could solve some of the issues, and let waitresses focus on alcohol and more complicated food orders

Two reasons:

#1 - Good game means I want more time at the table

#2 - Wait list to get back in a game

Leave your stack at the table. It'll still be there when you get back 30 minutes later. Although if you take more than an hour they'll box the chips up.

Bbj hit like an hour ago btw

Second visit to ML. In the evening the wifi did not work. Confirmed with a freinds iphone. one of the tables electric receptacles did not work. In general, the tables are not being cleaned properly, although the rest of the place looks great.

Played from 11-6 and then cashed out. Decided to come back for more after dinner and played until 10 pm. Interesting two tables, and more interesting running into workers from AC.

The stories are even more interesting. People getting banned and what not.

Yeah, you trust your stack to a bunch of folks you don't know.

I know, I know, security cameras, yada, yada, yada.

Then there are "accidents."

Plus, I'm not certain if ML has a specific policy on food breaks. If they do, I would hope ML offers box for chips while on break. I've seen it in a few other places.

I've seen different places with and without a break rule. But seeing as ML is still working out the kinks on filling seats, I can see how a break policy could trigger further frustration by players.

I'm sure Mike & his staff will figure out something.

The full one or the mini?

Also, do you know what the hand was?