Wait....before you go....you didn't answer my previous question. What place did the away player finish?

Without giving a exact number since it’s easy to find out who it was. The person finished top 5!


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Good on him.

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And it’s reasonable to infer that he collected fairly close to what he was offering to chop for. He may well have done better than his chop offer.

With 3 short stacks we never got to that point, but he made out much better


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IMO when you sign up to a tournament you should be ready to play it as long as it lasts without doing a deal. That applies both to the guy who left and the guy complaining now. If you are not ready to play until completion, do not sign up to the ****ing tournament.

In addition, it's my firm policy that any time a guy leaves the final table and lets his stack get blinded out giving me free money to not complain about it.

In my experience very time I made a run to a final table or ITM, I run into immense social pressure to pay for the bubble boy or do a final table deal. Those spots present the most interesting part of the game strategically and are the ones which the better players make the most money. This has ruined a lot of the appeal of live tournaments for me.

Tournament players need to start playing for money in high leverage situations and the casino needs to do a better job of protecting players who want to play.

End chopping. Play til there's a winner. Solves the issue of not being able to agree to a chop.

Casino likes chops. Dealers like chops. It ends the tourney and the need to use a table and dealer. So that will never happen

Totally agree with the social pressure of giving to bubble and chopping. I've seen chop talks start at 15 people. The people are so risk averse, they'll chop every time, even with an overwhelming chip stack

Take advantage. If you have a short stack, take the equity and chop. If you have a good stack, quietly and firmly say no. Tournament directors have been better lately in stomping any harassment in my experience. Or negotiate an elevated payout for you because of your chip stack, take 1.5st place money, and let them chop. If you're the chip leader.

People just hate the fact that a hypothetical chop value can be 1200, but if they bust next, they get 300.

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Coming out for the WPT Main Event next weekend.

Any advice for someone who's never been there before regarding logistics, registering, where to go on dinner break, etc?

parking is plentifully in garage.

as for food - theres a mall basically connected to the casino. as soon as you enter the mall you will see the food court. some other quick and easy restaurants as well. i would definitely recommend you check out ‘nandos’ for a meal.


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Welcome. Jumping in -

As noted, there's a parking garage with plentiful parking, never an issue. Both elevator banks (mid and back of garage) lead to the casino. Poker room is tucked towards the back side, but both ways are fairly easy to get to it.
If you're staying at the casino hotel, it's just on the opposite side of the casino.

Poker room is two floors of ~50 tables.
There's a registration desk upon entering on your left. However, all tournament registration is upstairs (unless extreme special circumstance). Head through the Poker Room entrance and you'll see a stairwell behind a glass wall ahead of you (Currently covered in a WPT logo). Head up those stairs (or there's elevator if you need) and you'll hit the registration on your hard right. Likely, if you're close to start time, you'll meet the line for the registration on the stairs.

As noted, food options are aplenty. There's tableside service available most of the time, but better values if you take the walk yourself. The Arundel Mills mall food court is door-to-door facing with the casino if you want quick bites. Plenty of other fast food in the drive circle around the mall. Otherwise, in the casino, there's a good asian restaurant, Luk Fu, a steakhouse, as well as a Cheesecake Factory and Bobby's Burger Palace, and a couple quick service options.
I feel like most, including myself, will point you to Zinburger. It's attached to the mall, straight across from the casino.

Temperature varies, just like everywhere. Typically downstairs is warmer, where upstairs is a bit cooler, but can warm up when the room is full. -- Lot of hot air in the room

If you smoke, there's outdoor patios on the back end of both floors.

There's a bar inside the poker room, first floor. Drinks and small snacks (candy bars, chips) are available 24/7. No free alcohol (Maryland prohibits), only free soft drinks, coffee, teas. Usually a couple waitresses around, should be well staffed for WPT Main.

Massage staff is typically around during peak times. $2/min or they typically offer a $25 for 15min "deal".

There's only one bathroom and it's down on the first floor just outside of the poker room entrance.
There's a new soda stand right by the bathrooms as well.

Great staff throughout the poker room. Are tenured and have held many huge events (WPTs, MUGs, etc) in the past.

That's all I can think of for now. Hope you have a good time.

To add on to this ^. The ME will be in the Event Center which is right next to the hotel. We'll be in the event Center starting Saturday morning until October 6. The Main Event and one of the large side events will be in there.

Thanks

Mike

You do not know he did not have an emergency. He may have lied to keep his real reason private.

And for someone who wanted to play it out, you seem upset that you had to play it out.

I get you don’t like what he did but it but that does not make it wrong. What action would you like LIVE to do?

Your correct I don’t know if he had a family emergency. But he didn’t act like it, he said I told my wife I will be home by 1:30am and I have to work tomorrow.

I am upset for the fact that at a final table nobody should be paid for leaving. I don’t know any other sport or competition that you can get rewarded for walking off and not finishing. That’s my issue. If you can’t play until the end don’t play!


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Ok you are upset. But what change do you recommend? What about the opposite where a player chooses to skip the first few levels? The fact is inpoker you can stay in the game even when not there. What if he came back when it was three handed?

Maybe Golf? Make the cut, get injured (or leave for any reason) - still get place/paid.

Tennis too - get hurt in/before finals, you still get 2nd place $, no?

Same idea - you outlasted to a certain spot (i.e. to a certain chip stack) and get paid for that effort.

Actually poker does penalize you if you cannot finish - presumably your stack would be worth a certain amount, and getting blinded off in general means you'll be paid less than that value (over long haul vs. thinking players.)

If a golfer withdraws or is disqualified after making the cut, they do not receive any prize money.

I do think they get credit for a made cut in their (very generous) retirement program.

I really can't believe that someone is complaining about a big stack choosing to abandon his stack and be blinded out at a final table.

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TIL - golfers have a retirement program!

I wasn't sure on the golf one... but at least 10 years ago, they still got paid, it just wasn't "official" money for stats. (But it spends just the same): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...32655620080114

this could be resolved if tournaments would quit paying so much more for the top few spots and distributed the money more fairly, there really wouldnt be any need to chop or arguing about it. i think all of the top 10-15% should all get the same amount of money no matter what, this would fix the issue and end the tourney

i remember a freeroll in vegas once many years ago, in which one player didnt want to chop but insisted he wanted to play just to see how he would do who clearly didnt care about the money. well since it was a freeroll, we all wanted to get our $300 plus each. so we FINALLY after much debate, agreed to give him first place money of $1000 and we chopped up the rest, (about $250 each). and do u know what really pissed all the rest of us off?

he still refused to chop, even with first place money. he eventually ended up getting 4th for $500, and a lot of the rest of us missed out on getting anything due to everyone not chopping.

Don't play tournaments if you're not willing to play down to a winner.
Don't play tournaments if you don't like the payout structure.
Ask your venue to run tournaments with a structure you like.

Admittedly I'm a cash player but a lot of tournament player behavior baffles me. We do you expect that a deal will be made to pay the bubble? It's not in the rules. Why do you expect that a chop will happen? It's not in the rules.

If you want to play an even where you get down to 10% of the field and pay on an ICM chop basis why not make a tournament where that's the rule?

Any consideration we can make for "player abandons his stack preventing a chop" can be blocked by the player saying "I'm going to the bathroom" and being gone until the event is over. Unless you say something like "must be present to win" and when he gets blinded out itm the money goes back into the prize pool. Doesn't stop him from leaving and blocking the chop but I get the players forced to keep playing can be consoled by their payouts increasing after he blinds out.

Agreed...it is a gift. If the remaining players do not understand what is going on and play accordingly then too bad. Similar to a SnG bubble strategy with 4 left. I don't care how healthy this person's stack was to begin with....if he finished higher than 4th I question the players that stayed.

Don't agree at all.

A blinding down healthy stack during the end portion of a tournament with pay jumps as you move up makes for some interesting strategy considerations. if I was medium-to-large stack and there were some small stacks I'd be pounding the hell out of them even more to get more than my fair share of those dead posted blinds.

As for Buddy's decision to get up and let his stack blind down, nothing wrong with that at all. I'm surprised that conversation is still going on about it.





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Next series is the Card Player Poker Tour, end of Oct to Nov. Lower price point than WPT, good mix of mix games and a Tag Team event near the end! Looks like fun! Already working on a tag team player.0

Mike, on the tag team, what will rules be for the switch? Every orbit, level, at will? Thanks!

https://www.livecasinohotel.com/site...20Schedule.pdf


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