alright i was kidding actually

poker in macau is great

everyone ****ing sucks so badly u guys can't even imagine

easiest money ever

grand lisboa has softest small games imo for u grinders

I was actually there, and thats what I was told. I dont care what you were told in the email, go and look for yourself.

There is only one employee at Starworld?

I am pretty sure you need more than one employee to run a big casino like that

I can see steady improvement in the staff. Not to say that 100% of decisions will be correct but then in any room there are mistakes made.

There have been some challenges inherent in starting and running Macau's biggest poker room. There are some pretty strong time constraints on training staff (esp. managers), the poker market here is very immature and many floor staff just don't get enough time in the room to see and deal with the many varied situations that can happen. In such a large company, every position needs to be fully redunant (in case of staff leaving, policy changes etc.) so the floor managers are rotated through the room. However, there are some experienced staff and some who are gaining good experience. Serious disputes and complaints (which require the intervention of higher level managers) are virtually zero now and have been constantly reducing over the course of the last year. Also the addition of tournament poker through Pokerstars Macau has meant that the staff is gaining deeper and more thorough knowledge of poker.

100% success can't be guaranteed in any room ever. But things have definitely improved drastically over the past year and also continue to improve. Try Grand Lisboa again and you might be pleasantly surprised.

Thanks for the response. I did try it again this evening and it did seem better. A sort of strange situation with not being able to move your entire stack (only being able to carry over chips equal to or less than the largest buy-in) when changing tables, which seems like a really strange rule to me a it seems conducive to rat holing since you an simply request a table change at any time and it'll likely be granted, but other than that I guess it wasn't terrible.

As far as StarWorld - the guy who said it was "not open for business" is incorrect, as there was a dealer and a manager tonight (although the room was empty). Additionally, the APT staff were not fired but likely will not be coming back as it seems the contract with APT/StarWorld might be over. In any case, I still think I'm justified in calling that poster out for spreading false information.

The games here are definitely not as good as they once were, but having a fish come in with a "hand rank card" at 100/200 who somehow manages to get it in with 44 and A8 all the way to the river is a good thing, so there's still at least remnants of the old Macau poker scene.

Do I just have awful table selection skills or what, because 25/50 isn't particularly soft whenever I go

I mean it's not a tough game, but I wouldn't say "I would definitely be here paying 5BB rake instead of in Vegas"

It's either your playing skills or table selection skills that's awful. I would pay that 200 max rake anyday to be able to clean out 10-20k every session.

less than 20 hands per hour at 25-50 and lets say 10 hour sessions consistently would be an astronomical win rate

im sure your hourly would be good but that is a bit too optimistic i think

I actually spit out my food laughing out loud reading that.

I'd say you're getting a good 25 hands per hour on 25/50 right now. The blind structure makes it pretty close to 2/5 in America, but the pots are much, much bigger. For instance, in 2/5 you raise to $30 pre-flop and everybody w/o a high PP or AK suited is out of the hand. Here you raise HKD$300 (almost USD$40) and half the table will call you with any 2 cards. The pots are always much, much bigger in Macau. More players in the pot means it takes more luck to win but when you do the win rate is pretty astronomical.

okay I must be the worst ever at table selection

Yeah - I really don't think that's even true with 10/25 (still true with 10/20 on some tables though). Speaking of which, 10/25 is an awful structure, it seems to make people huge nits. I hope Wynn brings 10/20 back (and gets some more tables finally).

I agree it's weird but please explain. Is it just because the small blind folds more often?

I think that the fact that it's 25 and thus the bet amount increments have to be in 25 and not in 10 makes the game play a lot tighter than a 10/20 game does. I am curious to see what the real difference is in hourly rake for the 10/25 game is as opposed to the 10/20 game - I really don't think there would be much difference because as stated before, I think that the 10/20 game plays looser.

Also - of course I enjoy playing poker, and I like the Wynn room a lot - there's a big difference between whining and sharing my opinion with the hope that it will be taken into account to some degree. I want to see Macau poker become all it can be just as much as you do.

I think the goal of 10/25 is to speed up the game. If it's 10/20, people keep throwing in 25 or 100 chips and the dealer must make change. With 10/25 you always have the right denom chip.

I don't really see your point, back when Wynn had 10/20, 25 chips weren't allowed on the table, and I think there's basically the same issue with 100's being changed in 10/25, plus 25 chips being changed to 10+5 for folded SBs.

Sorry guys!

Going to china.
Do not have time to read the full thread.

Still have some questions:

1. Is there a dresscode to get into the casinos in Macau?
2. Where can I play for the least money (smallest buy in)?
3. How many buy ins should I bring?


Thanks

You don't have to read the full thread, just use the search feature.

Thanks.

Ok
Followed your advice. Found most of the stuff I wanted to know.

But still one question remains.

What kind of clothes do you have to wear in the casinos in Macau?

No sandals, no shorts

No Shirt, No Service

hi, guyz.

i might stay there for couple of weeks.
how much is the average buy-in amount for 25/50 games?
my bankroll allows 4,000~7,000HKD per buy-in, which game would u recommend?

I usually just ignore this kind of post as the questions you are asking have been discussed hundreds of time on this thread. Use your reading ability and common sense to get that information. Also, for buy ins its usually the same for games all over the world. You can't go wrong with 100xbb's buy in. 5k for the 25/50 game.

When I played the game it was a nit fest. As some have pointed out the games seem to be juicier and looser. I truly believe they are kidding themselves, that was the case for the first 6-10 mos when WYNN first opened their room. Nowadays, they are so many rock regs in the game that you have to wait for a couple hours before a nice baccarat fish comes and plays. One time a fish played for 45 min and dropped 50k. It was a race to get his $. I took most of it as I was willing to gamble with him with marginal hands. When opportunities like these arise, you must be willing to push your edges to the max. The regs are usually too gunshy to gamble that much and that's where you can exploit them. They wait for the nuts, but against fish I'd be willing to stack off with TPWK.

Basically, you wait hours and hours for a fish to sit in. Otherwise, the games are boring and dull. Pick up many small pots and BS with the same regs in the game. If they call you, that should send warning bells. Do not play a big pot unless you have the real goods. Sounds like common sense right? Fact is, the regs are so nitty sometimes it laughable. (Most of them being from China) On the other hand, I respect the play of a few guys from Singapore, they play good and generally nice people. They make moves, the play isn't so predictable as the mainlanders from China. Koreans used to be great for the game, they play loose and very willing to GAMBOOL!!! Unfortunately, a few of them learn very quick and generally excellent at games in general. They used to be a fish, now they are more of a shark. If you see a few of them that like to talk big and ham it up. Those are your targets, I have noticed that pride and ego is very important to them. They hate losing face, especially in front of their friends. Making moves on them are OK, if you have a chance show them a bluff. (in front of his friend or GF makes it all the sweeter) This makes the game much better and they'd be willing to stack off lighter. Just remember to have the goods next time around. (BTW, Koreans are fun to go drinking with. Had a few great nights partying with them)

thx alot for ur deep explanation and thoughts about the game.

Best post on this thread in a long time. My thoughts exactly on your assessments of the players.

When people here posts of mega fishes in Macau, I think they only played with the passing tourists and does not reflect the average regulars here.

Theclock is right about some players being over tight. Last week I was heads up with a megafish (he had a wad of $1,000 bills 6 inches thick..no exageration) and he checked-raised me all-in for $5,000 into a $600 pot on a raggy T 9 3 5 type board. I had 35 two pair and folded. Im a pussy.