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Does anyone play here or have any opinions on the property? I'm planning to play the WSOP circuit event this coming spring 2014, but have never been to this casino before. Has anyone played here or have any opinions on the place?

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Hello. I made my first trip ever to Lumiere Place recently after reading about it last year in Aesah's PGC blog, and after reading that the insanity at the Cleveland Horseshoe will continue (another year without Northern Ohio WSOPC).

First, the cliffs. It is nice, you should go there...they do a good job, and I have never lost there, so it must be an awesome place!

Second, I will quote the nice write-up of November 27 by HighStakesGoFish,
(linked above my post):

"Lumiere Place (Pinnacle just sold it to Tropicana Entertainment) sits in downtown St. Louis along the Mississippi riverfront (previous circuit events were held in the western suburbs at the now-Hollywood St Louis). This series begins on March 20th, a few days after the finale of the Hollywood St. Louis HPO.

Tables
The current cash tables are racetrack style, ten handed, with a betting line and [marble?] inlay. Not sure what the temporary tournament tables will be like.

Rake
Cash game rake is currently 10% up to $4 max plus jackpot drop. There is a rumor of unknown reliability that rake won't increase during the circuit. Don't end up taking rack rake where you put 21 chips in. White and red have been worn down enough to where a stack of 20 is loose, just something to be aware of.

Games
Lumiere's mainstay is 1/3 NL. They seem to offer anything that they get enough players for (and have approval for), so sometimes you'll see 2/5 NL, 5/10 NL, PLO, 4/8 L, and others. A straddle (one per hand, I believe up to five times the blind) may be placed from any non-blind position. In March there will be additional folks grinding cash games to get hours in towards the top-50 leaderboard for the six-month promotion they're running. In March the cash games also have a bad beat and high hand.."


When you sign up for a player's card, they tell you they will send you coupons in the mail equal to whatever you lose on your first day (not counting poker), up to $500. So I lost a little at a table game while my card was registered, and planned to see if they send me a coupon. I unexpectedly won more than that a few minutes later at another game, without giving my card...so the test of their coupon nittiness is ON! I assume they think I was a net loser and will send a coupon.

So I go to the poker room between 11am and noon and ask about the tournament for that midday. The manager gave me some useful advice and emphasized that I had to be signed up with the cashier 20 yards away by noon. Then if you bust, you can re-enter. They had put the WSOPC schedule out that day, and the staff was already prepared to answer questions about it, and they had plenty of copies for players to take. More than half the tournament players were looking at it, planning to attend the WSOPC.

They had one full table running of $1/$3 NL, and it seemed more deepstacked than at most casinos. During my trips to the impressively-run Hollywood St Louis about 30 miles away, I had been told that the play at Lumiere is more aggro with less limping and more variance. It seemed that way from what I could gather as I glanced over to watch about 50 times during the day. I was there for 3 hours, and they just had the one cash game that entire time, plus 3 tournament tables.

Parking is easy and free and enclosed, across the street from the dome the Rams play in. Take elevator to casino level, walk about 1/4 as far as I have to in most other casinos, and there is the poker room!

Dealers said the slot machines near the poker room will be removed and replaced with WSOPC tournament tables. Fewer slots for a month - great news! They must have nice managers who appreciate poker revenue. Also, I didnt notice any slot noise while in the poker room, and no smoking - nice!

I played a tournament for $50 with a 5000 starting stack (no dealer add-on available) with small starting blinds of 25/50 and 20 minute levels. It didn't feel shortstacked due to the blind structure and 20-min levels, so it was never a shovefest (never!). What a pleasant surprise. I played with about 20 of the 30-35 other players and not a one of them was clearly terrible. They all had experience, all had the ability to fold decent hands as far as I could tell, and everyone seemed to try to do some thinking. What a nice change from Bovada and Horseshoe Cleveland and the normal cheap donkament-designed-to-be-a-shovefest-to-save-pokeroommanagers-from-working-hard-to-schedule-enough-dealers-for-the-room live experience. I managed to win (or not lose, we did a 4-way-chop) $300 on my $50 investment, likely due to there not being a bunch of boneheads there to make terrible calls and sukkout on me. The dealers were nice and very competent (although two of them initiated some nasty put-down banter with the regs they apparently had dealt to for years...not very respectful), and the managers were attentive and had their act together. Moving players, condensing tables, and low-value chip removal was done with more speed and precision than anywhere else I have been.

I took my winnings over to the Ameristar a few hours later for their $80 Bounty tournament, and found a 100% worse experience. They had an option for FOUR $5 add-ons that were not advertised, and not available at the table. You had to pay the cashier $80 to $100, and they strongly recommended everyone spend $100. They didn't have enough dealers (plenty of tables were empty), so some players had to wait for level 2 to get a seat. The dealers were less talented, the chips had no numerical values printed on them, and there was no color-code cheat sheet posted anywhere, and this tournament had probably 8 of the worst 10 players I HAVE EVER SEEN. It was some terrible play....like, really, really TERRIBLE. Call off your entire stack with zero pair, call off all your chips after two other players go all in so you can maybe hit a miracle turn-river and get two bounties - that terrible. I saw zero talent. Two guys with sunglasses trying look serious got sukkkked out on and were gone before level 3. But they had a decent chip stack and structure - too bad no numbers on the chips! I also played here twice for cash games due to a promotion I found interesting. It was the most terrible, mind-numbing, frustrating experience I ever had in poker, so I do not recommend Ameristar. Also, Ameristar and Greektown are the only two casinos I have been to where it seems EVERY SINGLE PATRON on the gaming floor is smoking non-stop. No fun.

Lumiere, though, seems great. But the Hollywood St Louis poker room is clearly the most popular in the metro area, and the best run. Hollywood has excellent employees and many tournaments and busy cash game action, and good promotions such as paying $100 for aces cracked. But you have to walk a mile to get to the Hollywood poker room from the parking areas.

Also, Lumiere has some good payouts available on not-incredibly-rare Bad Beats and Straight Flushes, which you can read about on Bravo.

With the HPT and WSOPC and the Hollywood Poker Open all in the same time frame, it will be a good time to play tournament poker in St Louis. Many hotels are nearby from Collinsville, IL to Pontoon Beach to Downtown to St Charles/Maryland Heights, MO also.

Following up on my previous post...
Lumiere has a multi-tier bad beat so many folks could get paid when losing a cooler. I went to play cash games once so far and a guy who flopped a set of tens got all in vs a guy who flopped 2 pair...Jack hi. River paired the board and Mr 10-10-10 lost the pot and won $600 for their lowest-level Bad Beat. Very nice program.
I saw 4 of the 8 opponents at noon sitting with over $400, two over $800, for the $1-$3 NL $300 max buyin. Many initial raises to $15-$20 with 2-6(!) Callers preflop. Not a nitfest. I had 90 minutes before I planned to drive to Chicago Horseshoe Hammond, but it was so interesting I stayed 3 hours. Made $100/hour.
I mentioned the first-time visitor loss a reimbursement program up above. I lost $180 at a table game while being tracked, then won $200 right after at a table where I did not give my card. So I figured I would get $180 in coupons in the mail. 35 days later, $205 coupons arrived in the mail. I am happy, that is a good promo. Now I gotta use the coupons as my final visit to a table game, and just stick to Poker.
I hope to meet some 2+2 users during WSOPC in March or even at the HPO earlier in March.

I noticed JTPokerPlaya has had some interesting and useful comments about St Louis area casino rooms, especially regarding tournaments and the great Sunday one River City puts on. Seems logical that Hollywood doesn't have the best tournament lineup, but they always have the most cash games...but not the most cash game ACTION.

Lumiere Place, every time I go there, is full of crazy players who do not make smart or careful decisions at the $1/$3 tables. You can make $200 per hour or lose $200/hour (to flush chasers, for example), easily.
I saw 3 different players the other day in one half hour donk off over $2000 to the table either bluffing river with zero pair or calling the aggressor down every street while holding bottom pair. I saw a weak player I had successfully value-towned on 5 hands in a row the day before get paid off over $1100 in TEN MINUTES yesterday over the course of 3 consecutive hands...all he had was top pair twice(which was an over pair to the board) and a straight once. I haven't been there on a weekend night, but I can imagine every table has someone who has run $300 up to $2000+ by 11pm.
The place is friendly and pretty well-run, and the players generally are enjoyable to be around. Tournaments are cheap and not too turbo, so low risk.
The slot machine area nearest the elevated poker room, maybe 50-75 yards long and not very wide, has been cleared out so they can install poker tables for the WSOPC. It doesn"t look like a big enough area to me, but maybe they plan to get a smaller turnout compared to other stops.
The casino is attached to a Four Seasons Hotel so you rich baller gamblers can stay in luxury just steps away from the tables.
I wonder how much the local HPT series next week and the HPO series in 2-3 weeks will enhance or drain the player turnout for the WSOPC March 20. WSOPC has slightly higher typical buyins and slightly worse structures compared to the other two.

The HPT tour stop and HPO tour stop nearby just ended, so WSOPC Lumiere is next up with a $580 Thursday and multi-flight $365 Friday-Saturday. Does anyone know how many runners a typical WsopC opening $365 multi-flight event typically gets at an average venue?

This room is giving away $2000 free money to 5 people Tuesday...if you drop your earned ticket in a drum and have it picked. Not a bad promo.

The $1/$3 cash games are usually loose, with half the players sitting on stacks at least triple their starting $300. Should be even more crazy action with ring-chasing ceasars-donkament-playing traveling headphone-wearing tourney geeks in town.

Well be in town in two weeks. Does anyone know how the the blind structure works on there Friday night tourney?

I saw on Bravo yesterday there was a 5/10 NL game going. Does this run every Wednesday? Any info/intel on the game is appreciated as I will be in St. Louis next Wednesday on business.

Bump, anyone know about the game on Wednesdays?

E-mailed the Poker Room Manager to see if they had a poker player rate for the hotel if you played a certain number of hours and a week later still no response. Ameristar's poker room manager was much more responsive so decided to go there. Will post summary of room after in the St. Louis thread. No wonder Lumiere usually only has 1 or 2 tables going on Bravo.