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there are a lot of home games that you can find on Meetup.com . These are going to be low stakes that are geared to be more recreational, but are easy to find if you don't want to go out to a card room. I've seen a pretty fair amount of local options on there. The good news is that often there is no rake or a small amount to chip in for snacks.

He's looking for a place where he can get paid to deal. Read above.

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06-08-2014 , 07:30 PM

#252

PokerXanadu

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,583

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

flightcar is a relatively inexpensive car rental service in LA, if you need to go that route.

Sorry - don't use flightcar. Horror story!

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06-08-2014 , 09:13 PM

#253

STinLA

old hand

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,882

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

Sorry - don't use flightcar. Horror story!

Care to elaborate?

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06-11-2014 , 04:14 PM

#254

PokerXanadu

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Care to elaborate?

I reserved a month ahead a "2014-2009" compact, but when I arrived they pulled up a 2003 Kia Sedonna minivan, with multiple dents and a filthy interior. They claimed it was the last vehicle they had to offer, but it was an upgrade (to a minivan). It was a piece of junk that would be hard to park in LA, and cost a lot more in gas mileage. I had no choice to take it, but discovered obvious mechanical problems as soon as I drove it. Took it right back. Ended up 2 hours later at Dollar rent-a-car, and still negotiating with flightcar for a refund.

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06-11-2014 , 06:17 PM

#255

STinLA

old hand

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,882

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

That does sound awful. Out of curiosity, I checked if they have Better Business Bureau profile. They do. I suggest filing a complaint.

I never thought doing that would help at all, but I tried it once out of frustration after trying to get a refund from a hotel directly. Use a just-the-facts business-like tone. You want to make it clear that you are being completely reasonable and that they are the problem.

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06-12-2014 , 08:43 AM

#256

PokerXanadu

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Originally Posted by STinLA

Thanks for the suggestion. Flightcar has promised a full refund once I send them a copy of my Dollar receipt. But I'll keep the BBB report in the arsenal (and posting on tripadvisor, etc.) in the arsenal in case they don't keep their promise.

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07-26-2014 , 01:57 AM

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fizresh

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 357

starting today (fri july 25) at the bike, if the hand goes to the river, they take an additional $1 for the house.
$5 rake + $1 jackpot drop + $1 more if hand goes to river.
bike started it today, commerce yesterday. dunno about other L.A.-area casinos.

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07-26-2014 , 02:00 AM

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Steve00007

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Are they really trying to call this a $5 rake?

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07-26-2014 , 02:20 AM

#259

fizresh

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 357

sorry if i didn't use correct terminology.
$5 rake or drop or whatever it's called + $1 for the jackpot = that $6 comes out of the pot on the flop, and that's how it's always been.
what's new is the $1 if the hand goes to the river.
btw construction is underway (after several delays) on the 7-story hotel adjacent to the bike. front facade of the casino is torn down.

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07-26-2014 , 03:19 AM

#260

Texas Boredem

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The lower limit players get crushed again..

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07-26-2014 , 04:27 AM

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Ray Zee

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the lower limit players are the ones building that tower.

you really have to move up in stakes these days as the high rakes make it too hard to get ahead.

play less hours and find better games which you can beat and get better in.

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07-26-2014 , 04:33 AM

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Anarchist

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time went up too. now instead of one $10 chip every half at commerce 10-20 they charge goddamn $11. just making change and TAKING the time collection took 2 minutes of every half hour today

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07-26-2014 , 04:41 AM

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Ray Zee

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the lower limit players pay way more of the increase and that will knock many of the marginal winners into the losing category.

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07-26-2014 , 06:51 AM

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La Peste

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I played my first day with this today, and it was way more brutal than I expected. By my count about $20/hr for the table at 20/40. Really brutal squeeze on the poker economy, and especially people playing lower stakes. For me, I will do my best to never play 8/16 or 2/3NL (or below) ever again going forward. Also to compensate I will tip 1/4 of what I used to. Will take a monster pot to provoke a tip. Poker in LA was already suffering. This is a death blow. $7 a hand.

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07-26-2014 , 06:59 AM

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Steve00007

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Originally Posted by fizresh

I don't care how they try to describe it. They take a maximum of $6. That's a $6 rake +$1 for the jackpot. It's ridiculous to call that a $5 rake because a lot of hands go to the river and $6 will be taken out of the pot.

Saying it's a $5 rake implies that the rake hasn't increased at all, which is clearly not true.

I'm being generous calling it a $6 rake because with the jackpot drop, it wouldn't be unreasonable to call it a $7 rake.

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07-26-2014 , 01:54 PM

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OceansElevenLoc

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 39

Ocean's Eleven increased their rake a buck too if it reaches the river.

Was 4+1, now 5+1 if river is reached.

They also changed the 1/1 which was a $20-$40 buy in to 1/2 with a $20-$60 buy in. Now instead of buying in for the max of 40 bb's, the max is now 30 bb's. Game was unplayable in the first place but now its just ridiculous.

As a 2/2 player with a max buyin of $100, its still pretty brutal. I was pretty upset, if the 2/3 wasn't so nitty I would play that.

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07-26-2014 , 03:04 PM

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Otmshank11

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 451

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Originally Posted by OceansElevenLoc

Was the 1/1 game the only one they made changes too? In terms of buyin, structure etc (not referring to rake)

I am a 2/3 and 5/5 player and like to play a minimum of 100bb, ****ty that the rake went up. When you say rake is now 5+1, you mean drop + jackpot correct? I only have time to play once or twice a month, and my last session was with the new rake, which I think I heard someone say was a response to increase in minimum wage or something like that, but I thought I saw them taking the full $5 on the flop, I don't think there was a difference in how the pot was raked wether it went to the flop, turn, or river.... Can you confirm?

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07-26-2014 , 04:12 PM

#268

spring83

Jack of all trades

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Wow, that's so damn greedy. They already had close to the highest rake in the country and it goes UP?? Wouldn't it make sense for the Bike or another casino to try to take away Commerce's business by offering lower rake?

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07-26-2014 , 05:12 PM

#269

ProRailbird

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Meanwhile the private game players are popping bottles like the war just ended.

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07-26-2014 , 06:56 PM

#270

callipygian

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Originally Posted by spring83

Wouldn't it make sense for the Bike or another casino to try to take away Commerce's business by offering lower rake?

What, and selectively attract all the nits and pros who care about rake while leaving Commerce with all the fish who shrug off rake increases?

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07-26-2014 , 07:32 PM

#271

Steve00007

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Originally Posted by callipygian

What, and selectively attract all the nits and pros who care about rake while leaving Commerce with all the fish who shrug off rake increases?

Meh, I think Commerce would still attract a good percentage of the nits. Nits will think they have the fish to themselves and think the higher percentage of fish will make up for the rake.

Higher rake does chase away some nits, but I can't count the number of people that prefer the rooms with higher rake because they think it makes the games better. But when I play in those "better games" I don't really notice much of a difference.

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07-26-2014 , 07:36 PM

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frederick

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Originally Posted by spring83

Kind of looks like the rooms have agreed with each other to coordinate the increase.

So, no they will not compete on the rake, after promising not to.

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07-26-2014 , 07:40 PM

#273

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

Years ago (IDK if it's relevant now) the Bike ran a 20-40 Stud/8 game w/ a reduced rake and a great deal that paid cash if a player went over a certain amount of hours. I played that game when I came out from AZ. Then I decided to try the Stud/8 game at Hollywood Park. Higher rake, no cash back, game MUCH better and I mean MUCH. So I switched to HP. Point is is that the lower rake does attract the nits. There is no way for SoCal players to win in this situation. If I were a pro player w/o a family I would move.

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07-26-2014 , 07:49 PM

#274

frederick

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Prediction

After 18 to 20 months the increase in rake will actually result in less revenue followed by either a hiring freeze or layoff of some dealers.

Of course management will insist the increase rake had nothing to do with the drop in business, but was actually other factors. And that they were really smart to anticipate the drop in revenue and increase the price of playing poker before business started declining.

Did they hire someone from Caesars for advice on how to manage large poker rooms?

You can shear sheep every year but if you get greedy and start skinning them you will have fewer sheep and can't catch the ones who survive.

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07-26-2014 , 08:00 PM

#275

poker_triad

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,443

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Originally Posted by frederick

Kind of looks like the rooms have agreed with each other to coordinate the increase.

So, no they will not compete on the rake, after promising not to.

This.

Certainly not a coincidence that they all decided to raise the rake at the same time. This is similar to the collusion and monopolistic practices of the telco/cable companies, but probably will not have similar results. Most people need cable, internet, phones, etc so really have no choice even if companies collude in secret to raise prices. Poker is not the same as people can just decide not to play, as more and more people seem to be doing every year. Perhaps the card rooms already know this, and realizing that the numbers will decline no matter what are essentially doing this as a money grab in what they perceive as a dying industry.

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