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Old 05-14-2018, 06:34 AM   #7501
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I work 9-5 but despite that have still found that grinding the 1/1 at The Vic using a fairly snug / low-variance strategy works fairly well to get those hours in.

No offence to you personally, but this is why the games at the Vic are dire, frankly.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:37 AM   #7502
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Doctor Futtock, when trying to qualify for these freerolls myself previously I have found it can be very tough to play on days that you wouldnt normally or even dont want to. I think they are only worth it if your normal play hours would lead you close to qualifying anyway. Then the gain in ev from the freerolls is absolutely worth it.

Joejoe, the vic freeroll used to be worth a minimum £666 (100k pp and a max 150 runners) empire is worth 400-550 (25-35kpp and 63 runners plus ties).

As for the games being unbeatable, that is quite frankly an absurd statement
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:37 AM   #7503
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Thanks for the speedy responses:

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Sounds utterly torturous Futtock. I have no idea why you'd do it to yourself, but if you're hellbent on it then good luck.

How much value is there actually in doing this? I've been away from the London poker scene for a couple of years now, but how much are these tickets worth, a couple of hundred each? Wouldn't surprise me if you lost more than that in expectation playing these unbeatable games.
Buy-ins would be ~£500 each, effectively making it a total of ~£1K. That's around 2 weeks' wages to the average London person which can't be that bad for playing the best card game in the world. Games are definitely not "give-up-your-day-job" beatable but can certainly be "add-a-small-income-by-doing-your-hobby" beatable.

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No offence to you personally, but this is why the games at the Vic are dire, frankly.
While I'm not quite at the Old Man Coffee level just yet, I make no apologies for trying to make money using a tight style. I agree that some of those 1/1 games can be pretty damn awful (especially during afternoons when only one or two reg-infested tables are open). But I find that there are plenty enough weak players who turn up in the evenings that generally help to keep the games quite good.

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Doctor Futtock, when trying to qualify for these freerolls myself previously I have found it can be very tough to play on days that you wouldnt normally or even dont want to. I think they are only worth it if your normal play hours would lead you close to qualifying anyway. Then the gain in ev from the freerolls is absolutely worth it.

Joejoe, the vic freeroll used to be worth a minimum £666 (100k pp and a max 150 runners) empire is worth 400-550 (25-35kpp and 63 runners plus ties).

As for the games being unbeatable, that is quite frankly an absurd statement
Yep, forcing those hours in for a freeroll can definitely lose you money. I might just do The Empire one for June and give myself the freedom to play at The Vic and Hippo when I want.

Cheers for the advice.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:48 AM   #7504
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As for the games being unbeatable, that is quite frankly an absurd statement
Are they still taking £11 for a £200 pot? Ain't nobody beating that.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:52 PM   #7505
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While I'm not quite at the Old Man Coffee level just yet, I make no apologies for trying to make money using a tight style.

Nor should you mate, it's absolutely your prerogative and I don't blame you for doing so at all. I just wish that the already bad games weren't being made worse, shorter and nittier by the Vic incentivising so many people being empty seats "just to get the hours in"

And games are definitely beatable still. Enough to be worth your time if you can make money some/any other way though? Debatable.
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Old 05-15-2018, 03:45 AM   #7506
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I just wish that the already bad games weren't being made worse, shorter and nittier by the Vic incentivising so many people being empty seats "just to get the hours in"
To be honest I've never liked those cash-race freerolls because if you're a semi-reg or a recreational player and you fancy playing a fair amount in a particular month, to get optimal value you kinda have to play the extra hours that you don't really want to play. This can often lead to playing your B and C game more often than you'd like.

The Empire is the lesser of the two evils though because you're tracked for visits rather than hours played. This means you can put in about 1 hour per ~23 to ~24 days and, hey presto, be in a £500 MTT for "free"! For The Vic, you need to put in that amount per week which can amount to ~100 hours (a lot more). I've often heard it said that The Vic's freeroll is just straight-up illegal because casinos are not supposed to encourage people to play over longer periods of time than they normally would.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:12 AM   #7507
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they're both awful awful promos and dreadful for the games

high hand/bbj/splash pots/literally anything that doesn't only reward the seatfillers who play one hand an hour at most would be infinitely preferable
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Old 05-15-2018, 05:40 AM   #7508
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The Empire 65s promo has to be the best one ever. Giving up rake and encouraging action at the same time - amazing.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:43 AM   #7509
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Yeah, the Hippo used to (still does?) have a draw for a rake free card at like 2pm. That was pretty good too.
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Old 05-15-2018, 12:04 PM   #7510
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Hey guys,

I'm from Europe but have been to the US a lot in the past to grind out some cash game. I'm looking for something in (preferably) Europe where it's possible to put in some volume daily and where the traffic is decent. I mainly play 2/5, 5/10 nl and 5/5 plo. Is London still a good place to go to? How's the rake there compared to other places? Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:06 PM   #7511
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Are they still taking £11 for a £200 pot? Ain't nobody beating that.
Apparently the King's casino, in Czech Republic, caps the €1/2 rake at €20 ... sounds a lot worse than £11

I wish rake would cap at £5 of course
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