Haven't seen one around and there are a few threads about general poker in London. Don't know if there are many 2+2ers here?

Heading out to the Vic today to play the 2:30 tourney and the 7:30, then prob 1/2 after. ANybody else heading out?

whats the smallest game they've got going at the Vic?

1/1 is the smallest game, with £3/30min table charge as far as I know. I'll be going down the Vic next weekend probably and possibly play a donkament but I'll defiantly be playing some low stakes cash games if you're going to be around next weekend.

unfortunately won't be around next weekend, may drop u PM when i do go down if you want to get a drink or something

Is the 1/1 dealer dealt?

There's usually 1 self deal and 2 dealer dealt 1/1 games

Will be at the Internartional on Wednesday

I'm away at the moment, but usually around London. Played a bit at the vic and the empire, was thinking of checking out the international when i get back - they apparently have this deep stack freezeout on sat afternoons that sounds good.

yeah at the vic they have 1 1 dealer dealt tables which have a 10% rake (max £5) and there are the self dealt tables which have a £3 per half hour charge. Played for my first time down there tonight. busted out the £50 freezout on the 5th hand i think, but did ok at the £1/£1 tables

Glad this thread has been started.

Im a reg at the international and play the good PLO game, will sometimes be spotted at the vic and the empire.

yeh i busted out of the 50 in like 4 hands. Cash games were good though.

Can anyone comment on the beatability (including the rake) of the 1/1 and 1/2 games around London over a largeish sample? And which games are the best at which casino on which days? I'm sure the games are quite soft, I've heard about a 1/3 game as well what is the rake structure like in that game?

No rake, £7.5 hourly charge. All games are defiantely beatable despite the heavy rake.

This has got all the rake details and tournies for the vic:

http://www.grosvenorcasinos.com/pdf/vicaprjune09.pdf

I went there with exactly the same intent yesterday but apparently me and my mate were the first 2 to ask about the afternoon tourney in about a month and it hadn't run it about forever.
The evening tourney was a bit of a joke too, it had an aweful structure imo.

games in england are pretty soft. i grew up there and there's where is started my poker. vic and empire

10% rake up to £5 seems pretty extortionate to me...is this game still beatable?

What is the standard PLO games going on, and what is the standard of play like at the weekend?

the rake's a bitch if you are used to playing in more rake-friendly casinos this side of the atlantic, but the rooms in london are more than beatable for any decent holdem or omaha player

Thanks for pointing this thread out sl8. Might see you down the vic at some point. How busy do these places get.

Weekends gets really busy, 30 deep waiting lists etc. Maybe going tonight, anyone else heading up?

sl8 ive been looking at some of these places and as fastmotion says how are they beatable. One place was charging £6 a hour

I worked this out with a dealer who deals to me a lot. We worked out the average TAG makes around £30 an hour and pays around £15-£20 an hour in rake on top. So without rake decent players can crush for like £50 an hour but the game is still definately beatable. Its pretty bad when you look at like this but nobody will play 50/1 for a significant amount of hands. The dealer games are only £6 an hour but you get half the hands in, and the fact you'll want to cut yourself from the slow/bad dealing and the amount of trash talk that goes on. Its prob worth moving up to 1/2 or 1/3 if you plan on playing a lot. You definately pay less rake and the games are still as soft.

What are the dealers like at the Vic? Competent, average, bad?

How many hours can you expect / hour?