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08-28-2022 , 02:14 AM
This thread is for discussion of news/events in the Houston area, as well as a place to ask questions about poker in the area. This is also the place for discussions about the smaller card rooms in the area that do not warrant an individual venue thread.
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08-29-2022 , 12:42 PM
The Lodge is buying Best Poker. Lodge folks in Houston today to finalize the deal.
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08-29-2022 , 03:47 PM
So the rumor that the Lodge is buying BestPoker are true?? Lodge Houston coming soon???
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08-29-2022 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by greatxwhite
So the rumor that the Lodge is buying BestPoker are true?? Lodge Houston coming soon???
Wish they'd come a little closer to town.

PokerAtlas has showed that there has been good traffic in a fixed limit 15/30 5 card omaha 8 or better game there, but not much else. Again, that's what I observed here from my couch using PokerAtlas.

That 15/30 game seems to have migrated to BestPoker from Legends on Richmond ave.
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08-29-2022 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by greatxwhite
So the rumor that the Lodge is buying BestPoker are true?? Lodge Houston coming soon???
They need to seriously renovate the place. The room resembles a trap house.
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08-29-2022 , 10:16 PM
Haven't been and don't plan to go but would go check it out if the lodge came to Houston. I am just happy to see Prime returning to the tourney game. Spades, TCH also consistently running good ones.
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08-30-2022 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by greatxwhite
Haven't been and don't plan to go but would go check it out if the lodge came to Houston. I am just happy to see Prime returning to the tourney game. Spades, TCH also consistently running good ones.
Prime has solid dailies, for sure.

I hope they do something similar to the pre-labor day tourney MORE OFTEN. The room management should, they probably grossed $45K in a week.

If you're playing a tournament at a room in Houston, and you're not getting a buy-in receipt, you're contributing to delinquency.
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08-31-2022 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by greatxwhite
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The funny thing is the Lodge folks came to Houston and met with the owner of Best Poker on Tuesday(8/30). It does appear now they didn't come to an agreement/close a deal so sorry about the premature post/announcement. Doug's Twitter post is a little disingenuous though. Should have probably said something like "we aren't currently looking to expand in Texas at this time but are always looking at opportunities as they present themselves" or something like that. What he posted to Twitter sounds like he is intimating the whole rumor was made up which it wasn't. Makes me trust him even less re: the entire Coinflex debacle.
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08-31-2022 , 06:57 PM
Odd he would handle it that way, perhaps didn’t like that word slipped out
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08-31-2022 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BulltexasATM
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The funny thing is the Lodge folks came to Houston and met with the owner of Best Poker on Tuesday(8/30). It does appear now they didn't come to an agreement/close a deal so sorry about the premature post/announcement. Doug's Twitter post is a little disingenuous though. Should have probably said something like "we aren't currently looking to expand in Texas at this time but are always looking at opportunities as they present themselves" or something like that. What he posted to Twitter sounds like he is intimating the whole rumor was made up which it wasn't. Makes me trust him even less re: the entire Coinflex debacle.
We have spent hundreds of hours discussing expansion this year, of that time almost none of it has been discussing poker in texas as we want to de-risk from just a single poker market.

The rumors regarding this sale began before we had ever even seen the room, and to this day I have never met the owner. Our goal remains to expand outside of Texas, although we are not inherently against the idea of a secondary location in this state.
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09-02-2022 , 10:17 AM
Did any of the other owners of the Lodge or their representatives meet with Best Poker in Houston or anywhere else?
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09-02-2022 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Robot9999
Did any of the other owners of the Lodge or their representatives meet with Best Poker in Houston or anywhere else?
Yes but I’m guessing Doug will dodge answering this one.
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09-04-2022 , 08:39 AM
Posting this relevant heads up in the first Houston thread to those considering a Houston

From searching online & asking around there is big lack of information on what's actually going on in and around these rooms in Houston. I can't imagine there has ever been a more dangerous, chaotic, corrupt, shady and risky place to play non underground poker. The current culture, climate, and local criminal element (who have their teeth sunk into these games) living their lives with no regard for the their own life let alone those around them have the cities players going to rooms on edge looking over shoulders for the next drama to unfold. I had a long trip there, made a lot of contacts with players who were there before me who GTFO as well as locals who've lived there all their life, and overheard and witnessed shocking things. That's with lots apparently getting swept under the rug and attempts to keep so much quiet. Here's some of what I've either witnessed or heard from multiple sources, buckle up

1) Every jackass has a gun. Ive been to several rooms where I could see guns in players pockets who were playing some of which I've seen make threatening statements over silly things related to how a hand was played. People I've met say have had guns pointed at them in traffic and I had the same happen to me. At a stoplight outside prime social (7801 Westheimer) in broad daylight a car pulls up to another shooting 2 people 7+ shots killing 1, they were local poker players and supposedly were playing at a room in the area earlier. Link
https://www.khou.com/amp/article/new...d-23ec9735b8f9

2) I've heard on edge or angry players make statements eluding to feeling like getting their AR15 out of the car and shooting the room over losing $ or arguing. I've heard these statements made in a general shootup room way & personal disputes arguing with players. Virtually none of these rooms have security to deal with this.

3) I saw someone go get a gun out of car and use it to threaten someone he was arguing with. I've separately heard stories of this happening over and over.

4) heard stories of people putting guns in the mouths of players in rooms.

5) if someone attacks you in a room it's up to you and the other players to protect/save you. Saw a player get up walk over and hit another player and no security came over at any point once, the other time I saw it it took forever to get security. Also seen players standing over ready to attack a guy if he said another word and it not be for minutes till security showed up. I heard about a floor guy threatening to take players outside to fight them.

6) At a room with supposedly better security heard a pro had a local grab the chips and violently throw them into his face and threaten his life bcuz he thought the guy slow rolled him.

8) Multiple instances where dealers had to be held back by multiple people from attacking players while in the box who were arguing with them. I've heard of dealers actually attacking players while in the box.

9) players apparently have been getting followed outside of room and in some cases all the way to hotels or home for some time. I'm told there are countless incidents, so who knows how many were afraid to even speak up. Some of these folks were robbed, beat up, and had their home burglarized. For amounts ranging from only 200 friggin dollars to tens of thousands. There are shady people in all these rooms watching the cashouts, some not even playing, just looking. There has been talk of employees being involved with some of these people & incidents

10) if all the above wasn't nutty enough, how about rooms being shot at with assault rifles as if they were games with high value targets present in the most active war zones? Yea, it's a thing in Houston. So much so some rooms have attempted build&construct bullet barriers (never noticed this anywhere in the country) around the outside of rooms bcuz the rooms are targets of drive by AR15 shootings while players are playing so often. I mean to actually build barriers like your in a warzone? You know you're taking gambling to a whole nother level.

11)In a small built room full of players+staff a player with mask enters from kitchen with an assault rifle demanding cash, in the struggle 15 shots are fired in the room which luckily went through wall to parking lot rather than hitting players. Guy supposedly played and has a lot of friends who still do. ***Players had lots of chips maybe thousands taken by people in the room while they were hiding under tables or running out back, supposedly not reimbursed***

12) Again during a busy time people go by with an assault rifle and fires 20+ shots at & into the room. Multiple bullets got through, there are pics online of a bullet hole in TV and players on the floor. Chips stolen again. Management says things are fine get back to dealing/playing.

13) Play in the burbs instead? A room in the {supposedly} safer more suburban area (Katy) is shot up from the outside.

14) Someone dies outside of a room from being shot in parking lot.

15) There is a room that has had at least 3 robberies in the last couple years.

16) Countless shootings outside or across street from rooms near clubs.

17) Fight and shooting in front of a room leads to people running inside front door scrambling pushing each other fearing their lives looking for safety.

18) A room that tried to put up a barrier to block gunfire takes supposedly anywhere from 30-70 rapid fire auto weapon shots when gunman gets out and tried to shoot over barrier. Some gunfire confirmed made it through. Management yells at everyone to get back to dealing/playing everything is fine again.

19) low rent security has been threatened with violence by players when security had questions after metal detector went off

20) lots of people have had car windows busted out, broken into, and even stolen in some cases outside of games.

21) heard of an instance where a staff member clocked someone he didn't like into a table late night to drain their "time" and told the players and dealer not to worry about it.

22) more dealers than not seem unprofessional commenting on the action, the players, allowing influencing action in hands, and disrespectful name calling of players. They get defensive and fire at you when you try to point out their errors(before significant action occurs) in hand.

23) cheating and scamming is beyond prevalent. there have been fake chip scandals at a bunch of rooms including $100 chips.

24) extra aces end up in decks all across the city. lots of documented hands with an extra ace at showdown.
players have gotten caught keeping an ace under their phone, up sleeves, ect over and over and still play in the rooms. Confirmed cheaters constantly conning are in the games daily, even after getting caught.

25) marked cards are the norm.

26) checkout Joey Ingrams videos on cheating related to at least 1 Houston room possibly even involving rigging the shufflers. That isn't even the one of the sleeziest rooms, most are worse. There are criminals from here and all over the country coming to exploit these weak unregulated rooms getting away with cheating.

27) another thing I was unaware of prior to my visit is that so many of the people playing in the rooms are house players. Most are at a minimum solid and have been playing for decades, some for income. A bunch them are questionable speaking different languages at the table and at times trying to talk to each other quietly multi way. Seems like some are put in the best games also, which should be the opposite. A lot of other things related to this that has been speculated and assumed.

28) A room manager was apparently caught on camera stealing green birds from a players stack.

29) there are known chip thieves who steal from players stacks who the rooms won't ban, they are even really nice to some of these people. so GL protecting those stacks away from the table or when your head is turned.

30) lots of known violent criminals are embraced by the rooms. If you win on the felt, the game isn't over, you need to make it away from the room and safe inside your hotel to secure the win.

31) rooms allow wealthy players to grab, punch, twist the arms, and Hassel others physically. Seemingly never telling them to stop.

32) "Best poker" recently opened up and a shooting happened in the parking lot the very first night

33) there was another supposedly safer room shot up shortly after that supposedly by a disgruntled player who'd been kicked out shortly before

34) a room on the north side near Texas card house was robbed by multiple armed gunman a month or so.

35) All I heard online prior to coming was Texas action&donkeys(I didn't really see it), nothing about any of this craziness. The games aren't even that good in Houston IMO. There are tough 2/5-10/25 types at many of the 1/3s. People seem seduced by just a few whales around town dumping chasing them, but if there is a good game these people already have a long transfer list to play the game. Dunno that the list are properly ran down either.

36) Locals have become desensitized I think to the violence, culture, and chaos in these poker clubs. Folks seem to be operating as if they don't fear death or incarceration. The most extreme hustlers operate as if they're invincible and are embraced. You have to witness some of the daily interactions, acceptance, and hear the conversations.

37) I imagine the rooms get shut down from someone being killed in a room. Good luck getting back the money&chips in those safety deposit boxes when the operation is permanently shut down.

38) there have been at least 2 other shooting incidents after all that. One in a very busy room. I heard locals are so conditioned (the culture getting worse) many didn't even leave.


This is all corroborated by me asking plenty of longtime players what they've heard. It isn't even all I've heard. Im told the other Texas cities aren't as bad as this, but I haven't been. I would guess it gets spread to other Texas cities to some degree, that's how it goes when certain factions of society see what some are getting away with. Absolutely mind blowing surreal poker trip. I won't be going back.
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09-04-2022 , 01:48 PM
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Did any of the other owners of the Lodge or their representatives meet with Best Poker in Houston or anywhere else?
Yes, some of my business associates met with the best bet owner one time. This guy has tried to sell us his room something like 4 or 5 times. Everytime he drops the price.

We are not very interested in the Houston market, or even the Texas market at large (other than our existing location of course). That said at some price point we would entertain a lot of locations.

At the time being we are going to pass on this opportunity unless it's a firesale, I don't really want to expand to Houston and we are going to continue to follow our leads in the Northeast/Midwest/West coast.
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09-04-2022 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BulltexasATM
Yes but I’m guessing Doug will dodge answering this one.
Not sure what your problem with me is, all I've done in this state is try to make our room the best place to play poker we can. I have also always answered questions directly and truthfully.

I'm a little unhappy about how this Houston convo has gone down. We told this guy over and over again we aren't interested, finally he offers an extremely low price and we decide to check out the location to see what is even being offered to us.

Now that has become "THE LODGE IS COMING TO HOUSTON" because my associates went to Houston 1 time for 3 hours. I mean just lol. Also the professionalism on this guys end to leak a rumor we are buying it is just ridiculous.

Houston is fairly saturated as it is and I'd rather look elsewhere. We've talked to people in probably 15 states or so, I only imagine that number growing, so yes we will continue to explore all options available to us over the next couple years.
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09-16-2022 , 06:28 PM
It may be saturated, Doug, but it also is crying out for an area leader. I mean, whatever, don't take business advice from a rando on the internet, right? but a Lodge outpost in Houston would likely quickly dominate a market sizably bigger than Austin.
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09-16-2022 , 08:26 PM
why's everyone say fkn baby

tilts tf out of me
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09-20-2022 , 06:24 PM
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...but a Lodge outpost in Houston would likely quickly dominate a market sizably bigger than Austin.
Yes

Prime Social's 50K Guarantee PLO $400BI might have an overlay. I'm not sure how they're going to handle that. Today, 1C had 20 entries. 1D was supposed to have cards in the air at 5PM, but Currently no one is registered, registration is open.
6 total flights.

I think Prime is a great club for cash and tourney. And they'll probably honor that guarantee.

I think they'll cover 125 entrants anyway.
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09-20-2022 , 10:17 PM
I saw they added a “turbo” flight at 9am Thurs to add some entries. Pretty confident they will honor the guarantee, never heard of prime doing anything sketchy in that regard. Looking at Atlas, 1A never went off so they have 75 entries at the moment with 2 flights to go
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09-22-2022 , 02:26 AM
I’d welcome a Lodge in town but I don’t think it’d do as successful as the RR one. Ton of clubs already and I don’t know where they’d put one. Plus if TCH supposedly opens the Galleria one that could be THE place. I would love the tourneys they have here.
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09-23-2022 , 09:51 AM
Agreed I still think Prime and TCH will dominate the tourney scene in Houston. Would be cool to see TCH take a shot at something larger than 100k, dont think they have since the PokerAtlas Payday thing that got 370k in the prize pool...
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09-23-2022 , 04:53 PM
I don't understand how y'all trust these rooms on tourneys. No oversight, just "trusting" the prize pool is right. Yoikes. The rooms have so much incentive to play fast and loose with the numbers.

I think the Polk/Neeme/Owens ownership *might* get me to play tourneys. Might.
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09-23-2022 , 09:54 PM
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I don't understand how y'all trust these rooms on tourneys. No oversight, just "trusting" the prize pool is right. Yoikes. The rooms have so much incentive to play fast and loose with the numbers.

I think the Polk/Neeme/Owens ownership *might* get me to play tourneys. Might.
What exactly do you mean? There has been more sketchy BS going on in regulated states lately between Hustler, Venetian, etc. I am not aware of any reputable room that is still in business in TX not paying an overlay, or doing anything sketchy. They’re transparent about the % of entry fee that goes to prize pool vs admin fee vs dealers on structure sheets.
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09-25-2022 , 03:36 AM
I mean you can literally verify the chips in play vs the prize pool so if you are really that concerned you could try to catch a tournament cheating players but I’d bet you won’t because it’s dumb and they can just rake more if they want to give less to players which is the direction they’ve been going.

Think prime social did take out money for series leaderboards or a bigger tournament entry for next year or something when I played once so thought they messed up the prize pool but it was disclosed somewhere and right when I checked and counted that money.
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