With the straddle on the open is 20 at 1/2 and 40 at 2/5

Thanks Tom

Heading for Cleveland next week, gonna be there for 3 weeks from the looks of things. Am I reading this thread correctly, in that it is $35 to park at the casino, and then I have to wait in a line to get in?

Does the o/8 game ever go?

Does the casino allow backpacks?

Park in the casino garage diagonal from the casino and get 15 total reward credits and it is free. Print the comp from a kiosk in the casino. You shouldn't have to wait I was there the last two Saturday nights no wait. Parking info -> http://cleveland.about.com/od/attrac...-Cleveland.htm

Also watch the bravo app for games. plo/8 seems too run Friday and Saturday evening.

Security will inspect your bag when you enter the casino... So make sure its "clean".

awesome!

Thanks for the info.

Yes but it is starting to become an issue. As with anything, some scum is runing it for the rest of us. I carry an Ipad, Ipod, headphones, chips, wallet, medicine, etc... in mine and the check it when you walk in. Usually no issues but the lastfew times they really went through it and wanted to search INSIDE my pill bottles (asprin, pepto, perscription stomach stuff). I was like WTF???? Opening my bag, then opening my medicine box, then opening the bottles!!!! Then they said they want to make sure I am not selling the meds!!!!!! And one asked why I need these meds.

I asked for their supervisor quickly and discussed. They cant ask me personal information like that, nor do I think they can search the bottles.

But it is a private place and they have a right to refuse entry so I have to comply I guess.

Just really pisses me off that *******s come here and scam the casino and we pay the price:

-No hats at the table games (they dont really enforce this that much anymore) because people were cheating and hiding faces.

-No cell phones at the poker table while in hand because 1/2 players w $50 stacks were texting their hands to eachother.

-Backpack issues because people were bringing in stuff that they shouldnt.

Never ends

I do not represent the casino in any way. I have spoken with the floor on these issues more than once because they seemed confusing and not what I was used to in other poker rooms. There's a reason



It's bad poker etiquette IMO.

This.

At some point the dealer should state to the player that made the last bet on the river to either open his hand or fold. If they refuse, floor should be called over and restate to the player to "show your hand or fold."

If noone bets the river: the player closest to the button clockwise (worst position) should be the one to open their hand 1st or fold.



Absolutely. If the other player mucks and you are the only person remaining in the hand, you do NOT have to show your hand to win if you don't want to.

I dont know if your stating general rules or actual Horseshoe rules here... Please advise.

As for the River and no bet situation, I thought it went back to last action. So on the turn if the button bets and the bb calls and they both check the river, the button should show first.

Also, it is not bad ettiquite if I call someones bet on the river and want to see what he had. I wait for them to turn over 75% of the time.

IMO= In my opinion. All other statements are specifically what the floor told me when I asked politely away from the table. I asked the same questions to different floor to see if they were just making **** up or actually being consistent.

No. That's what I thought too....this rule is ******ed imo. They said if there are no actions on the river, the player who is in the worst position has to show first or fold. Even if they are all in pre,flop or turn!!

Yea that is fine/good/proper.

I was talking about this:

I think asking to see another players hand is bad etiquette, but that is my opinion.


**I feel pretty confident in my understanding of these rulings but don't take my word as gospel. I suggest asking the floor for clarification and then report back.**

I usually bring in a back pack to hold my IPAD, thermal, and food. Most security guards barely look in it and only look in 1 pocket of the 5...not really sure what thats supposed to accomplish. I did have one guy confiscate my almonds once though. God forbid someone eat healthy.

Yea I have to admit I thought this for the longest time. I was corrected by a dealer(Caesars Windsor) after I check called the flop/turn then went check check river. I was OOP and waited to see my opponent's hand but he wouldn't show until I showed. He was mostly a dick about it but he was right, I was supposed to show my hand first being in worst position.

Yea, that's why I always force the person to show BOTH their cards even if I'm sure I have the winning hand, if they were the last to bet. I never let them see mine first.
I also hate when a player who is supposed to show only shows one card, the other player mucks, and the hand ends. I usually make a fuss and ask to see both cards. There is a difference to me when I see a pair of kings with K7 as opposed to AK.

So tournaments start tomorrow and I haven't been down to the shoe in the last couple weeks... wondering if structure sheets have been available? Looked elsewhere and saw nothing really.

I dont think the turnnys can be big because they are at noon but a friend showed up today and said that they are expecting 200 players!!!!

Anyone have updates?

I was there, I think it was 185 by the time the registration period ended. Definately didn't seem like a Monday.

Played in the tourney today...actually was the first one out. KK - Floped KA7 with 2 hearts. Pushed - one caller drew out to a flush on the river. He did have the A of hearts so I guess I understand. Oh well! Was good to see the tournament was well organized and the staff did well.

FT payouts/structure/rake?

Hello Cleveland-

Link to the ~$500 monthly MTT would be greatly appreciated.

Where is the information on tournaments? All I can find is "weekly tournaments start september 17th." What are the buy-ins? Structure? Time? Any help would be appreciated.

Weekly - Monday 12:00 PM $200 buy in. 20% goes to the house and the rest to the pot. There is a $10 add-in which gives you an additional 1,00 chips that you can add to your tournament stack of 5,000 for a total of 6,000 chips. The $10 goes to the dealers and is shared throughout the casino.

I believe the levels are change every half hour and start at 25-50. Antes start after the first break (175-300). I could be wrong on that.

The first tournament had 180+ participants and they paid out 18 spots. Essentially they are paying 1 person for every 9 participants. The lowest payout was around $470 with first place getting +$7,500 - Second +4,300.

hope this helps! Still not sure who won the first tournament though.

Here is the official information on Horseshoe's tournaments, exactly as given to the dealers: (I'm actually a dealer in their poker room, and they gave us a big information session before the tournaments started, including a nice handy little pamphlet, which is where this comes from.)

Every Monday @ noon:
$200 NL Hold'em. 5000 starting chips / $10 Bonus Buy (1000 extra starting chips) / 30 Min. Blind Levels

Every Thursday @ noon:
$100 PL Omaha. The PLO Tournament is a re-entry tournament through the first three blind levels. 3000 Starting Chips / $10 Bonus Buy (1000 extra starting chips.) The Bonus Buy can be done with each entry. / 20 Min. Blind Levels / NO ANTES for PLO Tournament.

Last Sunday of every month @ noon: (beginning Sept. 30)
$500 NL Hold'em. 8000 Starting Chips / $10 Bonus Buy (1000 extra starting chips / 45 Min Blind Levels

-All Dealer bonus buy money goes into the dealer toke pool and it is deposited at the table before a player plays their first hand.
-$200 buy-in is $175 to the prize pool and $25 to Horseshoe Cleveland.
-$100 buy-in is $80 to the prize pool and $20 to Horseshoe Cleveland.
-$500 buy-in is $450 to the prize pool and $50 to Horseshoe Cleveland.


Registration opens 2 hours before tournament begins, and closes 1 hour after tournament starts.


BLIND LEVELS:
1 - 25/50
2 - 50/100
3 - 75/150
Break
4 - 100/200, 25 ante
5 - 200/400, 50 ante
6 - 300/600, 75 ante
Break, race off $25 chips.
7 - 400/800, 100 ante
8 - 500/1000, 100 ante
9 - 600/1200, 100 ante
Break
10 - 800/1600, 200 ante
11 - 1000/2000, 200 ante
12 - 1500/3000, 300 ante
Break
13 - 2000/4000, 400 ante
14 - 3000/6000, 500 ante
15 - 4000/8000, 1000 ante
Break, race off $100 and $500 chips
16 - 5000/10,000, 1000 ante
17 - 6000/12,000, 1000 ante
18 - 8000/16,000, 2000 ante


PAYOUT STRUCTURE:

1-35:
1. 50%
2. 30%
3. 20%

36-53:
1. 45%
2. 28%
3. 17%
4. 10%

54-71:
1. 37%
2. 24%
3. 15.5%
4. 10.5%
5. 7.5%
6. 5.5%

72-116:
1. 32%
2. 21%
3. 13%
4. 9.5%
5. 7%
6. 5.5%
7. 4.5%
8. 4%
9. 3.5%

117-161:
1. 29%
2. 17%
3. 11%
4. 9%
5. 7%
6. 6%
7. 4.5%
8. 3.25%
9. 2.75%
10./11. - 2.25%
12./14. - 2%

162-206:
1. 25%
2. 15%
3. 9.5%
4. 8%
5. 7%
6. 6%
7. 5%
8. 4.25%
9. 3.5%
10. 2.75%
11./14. - 2%
15./18. - 1.5%


The first tournament, which was held yesterday, had 182 entrants, for a total prize pool of $31,850. It began when I began my shift yesterday, at noon, and was down to the final table when I left at 8:00, so assuming that it probably went on for another 2 hours after I left, it probably lasted about 10 hours total. Here were the payouts:

1. $7962.50
2. $4777.50
3. $3025.75
4. $2548
5. $2229.50
6. $1911
7. $1592.50
8. $1353.63
9. $1114.50
10. $875.87
11. $637
12. $637
13. $637
14. $637
15. $477.75
16. $477.75
17. $477.75
18. $477.75

Hope that's everything that you were looking for!

If anyone has any more questions, feel free to ask.