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05-15-2012 , 01:55 AM
My buddy told me they only got six 1/3 tables and one 2/5 table. Anyone play there opening night? What was the action like, and what was the biggest NLHE game that ran?
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05-15-2012 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite
My buddy told me they only got six 1/3 tables and one 2/5 table. Anyone play there opening night? What was the action like, and what was the biggest NLHE game that ran?
http://www.bravopokerlive.com/site/scasino

Currently showing 23 games - 2 tables of 2/5 NL, 2 tables of 1/2 PLO, and a ton of 1/2 NL.

Strong opening night showing, will need the weekend to determine the true depth potential of 2/5NL+, 1/2PLO+, and any other assorted games that may appear.
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05-15-2012 , 04:10 AM
+ opening night - overall dealers did an acceptable job.
+ cashier cage in room.
+ Room temp was comfortable.
+ last call at 1:50am - and the floor and servers reinforce that ya gotta drink it or it'll be pulled. Gotta respect the alcohol laws.
+ Room was easy to get to - up a couple escaltors or elevators and your are there.
++ Restrooms are very close. Easy to get to and back in a couple hands playiny cash\
++ Restrooms are very clean!
+ Coctail service was fast and friendly. Very good!
+ Decor in room is nice
+ Lighting and overall ambiance is very comfortable
+ Floor and dealers were very friendly!

- Chairs are horrible - no adjustment up or down.
- No bet line on table - gotta cut chips out behind cards.
- 10% up to $6 rake + $1 bad bead jackpot... players cannot win against this in $1/$2 NLH.
- Overall, the room seemed very noisy - even for opening night.


We left at 2:30am and the 1st floor was packed had to push to get thru people.

Floor and dealers were VERY friendly and tried to make a positive impression. They did very good at that.

My table had some "young guns" and I got called down and lost on set of K's to runner-runner flush draws for a monster pot... that's cards... we had fun I they know I'll be back to get them!

I'd rate the room a B- compared to Vegas/Hammond/Atlantic city/FL Poker rooms. Yes, tonight was opening night and the dealers did great relatively speaking.

The room really needs to drop the rake to $4 and get good chairs.

We were able to have free parking in the Casino Lot based on the hours we played at poker. That was great considering it was $35 otherwise.

Tournament schedules are not posted yet... we'll see what that draws in the future.

If you are downtown, check it out and post your review.
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05-15-2012 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldJJ
+ opening night - overall dealers did an acceptable job.
+ cashier cage in room.
+ Room temp was comfortable.
+ last call at 1:50am - and the floor and servers reinforce that ya gotta drink it or it'll be pulled. Gotta respect the alcohol laws.
+ Room was easy to get to - up a couple escaltors or elevators and your are there.
++ Restrooms are very close. Easy to get to and back in a couple hands playiny cash\
++ Restrooms are very clean!
+ Coctail service was fast and friendly. Very good!
+ Decor in room is nice
+ Lighting and overall ambiance is very comfortable
+ Floor and dealers were very friendly!

- Chairs are horrible - no adjustment up or down.
- No bet line on table - gotta cut chips out behind cards.
- 10% up to $6 rake + $1 bad bead jackpot... players cannot win against this in $1/$2 NLH.
- Overall, the room seemed very noisy - even for opening night.


We left at 2:30am and the 1st floor was packed had to push to get thru people.

Floor and dealers were VERY friendly and tried to make a positive impression. They did very good at that.

My table had some "young guns" and I got called down and lost on set of K's to runner-runner flush draws for a monster pot... that's cards... we had fun I they know I'll be back to get them!

I'd rate the room a B- compared to Vegas/Hammond/Atlantic city/FL Poker rooms. Yes, tonight was opening night and the dealers did great relatively speaking.

The room really needs to drop the rake to $4 and get good chairs.

We were able to have free parking in the Casino Lot based on the hours we played at poker. That was great considering it was $35 otherwise.

Tournament schedules are not posted yet... we'll see what that draws in the future.

If you are downtown, check it out and post your review.
Great write up man! And at 4am, good work. I hope the 2/5 is spread more, and more than Nautica. I hope some 1/2 players after some winning sessions want to take a stab at 2/5 with hopes and dreams. I realize yesterday was just the opening and more casual players were there, but let's keep this thread updates with what games are running and quality of play.
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05-15-2012 , 09:33 AM
What were the buy-in limits for the 1/2 NL & 2/5 NL? Heading up Thursday for some Ohio Poker. Never thought I'd see the day.
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05-15-2012 , 09:53 AM
Were there any LHE games higher than 3-6?
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05-15-2012 , 10:16 AM
how many tier points did you get per hour? Is 1 hour enough for parking?
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05-15-2012 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by herbdizzle
What were the buy-in limits for the 1/2 NL & 2/5 NL? Heading up Thursday for some Ohio Poker. Never thought I'd see the day.
1-2 is 50 to 200. 2-5 is 200-500. From what I saw most 50% were buying in full at 1-2 and some were buying in for 100... and a few were short stacking it at 50.
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05-15-2012 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by herbdizzle
What were the buy-in limits for the 1/2 NL & 2/5 NL? Heading up Thursday for some Ohio Poker. Never thought I'd see the day.
I dont understand the obsession about 2/5 or bigger. 2/5 games were amazing at Nautica for years, I played a lot... Now they are HORRIBLE. 2/5 doesnt even run at Garfield and you get 1 table at Nautica. 2/5 fish went busto and the good players are left wondering what they are going to do. Go anywhere in the US and 2/5 is the biggest regular game that runs (5/10 sometimes and rarely 10/20). 2/5 is a big game to play daily and by that I mean the good players are all at that game. $500 buy ins dont seem like a lot but I see people get stuck 3K in a session. You can have 20k swings in 2/5... I know for a fact and know a few who have had that.

The answer today is PLO. In a few years maybe 2-7 or back to limit games.

I will say it again. Limit hold em or Limit poker in general is the best for poker economies. Fish dont bust in 1 hand and have money that last. Games run longer. Games are played more standard. Limit is a harder game to stay a consistant winner and I believe more skill.... In the long run, the better players win and the bad players lose. In NL a fish can go on a run and people may or may not give it back. PLO is even worse.
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05-15-2012 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cap217
how many tier points did you get per hour? Is 1 hour enough for parking?
I thin at 1-2 you get 17 tier points and hour. We played 4 hours and oarked was covered.
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05-15-2012 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by zaah1
Were there any LHE games higher than 3-6?
I only saw 3-6 limit running.
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05-15-2012 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldJJ
I thin at 1-2 you get 17 tier points and hour. We played 4 hours and oarked was covered.
so you need 15 for parking correct? And do you think that the garage has enough spaces?

Last edited by cap217; 05-15-2012 at 10:37 AM.
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05-15-2012 , 11:04 AM
How is the rake taken? Is the BBJP "no flop-no drop"?
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05-15-2012 , 11:10 AM
Cap, 2/5 is not a 'big' game to play daily - especially since you can't buy in deep. It is the absolute bare minimum needed to live a middle-class lifestyle if you grind full-time. I don't know how reasonable players are having $20k downswing in those games. I'm not saying it's impossible but if you have a decent win-rate and play around with a variance calculator you'll see how hard it is to lose that much. I also disagree that limit hold-em' requires more skill. There's a reason those games have dried up online over the years and that's because that form of poker is much closer to being 'solved'.

Cleveland really seems to like Omaha these days which kind of sucks for those of use that much prefer NLHE. I think it's crucial we get a 5/10 NL no-max game off a few times per week
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05-15-2012 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cap217
so you need 15 for parking correct? And do you think that the garage has enough spaces?
30 minutes and 15 points. We got there @ 5:30pm and parking deck was virtually empty. Not sure about today. Weekends & major events i could image it'll fill up.
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05-15-2012 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cap217
I dont understand the obsession about 2/5 or bigger. 2/5 games were amazing at Nautica for years, I played a lot... Now they are HORRIBLE. 2/5 doesnt even run at Garfield and you get 1 table at Nautica. 2/5 fish went busto and the good players are left wondering what they are going to do. Go anywhere in the US and 2/5 is the biggest regular game that runs (5/10 sometimes and rarely 10/20). 2/5 is a big game to play daily and by that I mean the good players are all at that game. $500 buy ins dont seem like a lot but I see people get stuck 3K in a session. You can have 20k swings in 2/5... I know for a fact and know a few who have had that.

The answer today is PLO. In a few years maybe 2-7 or back to limit games.

I will say it again. Limit hold em or Limit poker in general is the best for poker economies. Fish dont bust in 1 hand and have money that last. Games run longer. Games are played more standard. Limit is a harder game to stay a consistant winner and I believe more skill.... In the long run, the better players win and the bad players lose. In NL a fish can go on a run and people may or may not give it back. PLO is even worse.
So stick with limit or 1-2 like you always do and stop claiming you play in the bigger games or stop caring about them because they have no impact on your play. Or buy into 5/5 plo a hundred at a time... You are shoveling way too much doom and gloom for the first week of the new casino.
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05-15-2012 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Moe Greenfelt
How is the rake taken? Is the BBJP "no flop-no drop"?
Rake is no flop no drop.
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05-15-2012 , 11:20 AM
Well, was there for opening night. Had a purple band so was inside in my poker seat within 30 minutes of opening.
Passed Josh Cribbs and Joe Haden throwing craps, on the way to Poker room.

The room itself was pretty awesome.
You walk straight into the podium when you leave the escalator on the 3rd floor. The walls are lined with giant TV's, and pictures of all the Big Named Pros.

The tables are spaced well, and you have plenty of room for drink carts, another chair, or even a wheelcair (which was at my table)
The tables themselves do not have a betting line, which may bring about future problems.
I thought the chairs were fine, but maybe because I didn't have a need to adjust it?
You could use your cell phone at the table as long as it didn't slow down play.
Last call was strickly enforced. The guy sitting next to me lost his beer, LMAO.

The Dealers were slow but that is to be expected on the 1st night of a new place. They were all friendly, and trying hard. Only had a couple of misdeals at my table all night.

The restrooms are close, cage in the room, no smoke to smell, and no slots banging in your ears like Rivers.

The 1st table to actually go off was a 2/5 NL game, which contained some priority players that were let in at 6pm.
I was at the 2nd 1/2 NL game to open. (didn't want to sit at the 1st one) We were each given a WSOP OHIO CASINO COIN with a number on it by the poker room manager Jeremy.

The parking is a a non issue as long as you pay attention to your card being comped. 1 hour of poker is enough to get a free parking pass (17 credits I believe) It was also simple to get your parking redemed. Just walk downstairs and run your players card through a machine to get a receipt for the attendent.

I went to the buffet at midnight, (awesome by the way), and when came back, the room was half full. When I left at 3am, there were several 3/6 limit, 10+ 1/2NL's, 2-2/5NL, and 2-1/2PLO.

The games themselves had plenty of action, with most people buying in for the max or close to it.
There wont be any tournaments until sometime in July according to the Manager.
The bad beat is 2222 or higher for Holdem.

All in all, this room has the potential to be the best of the best.

Last edited by BADUU; 05-15-2012 at 11:35 AM.
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05-15-2012 , 12:10 PM
14 tables running at NOON, according to the Bravo.
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05-15-2012 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BADUU
14 tables running at NOON, according to the Bravo.
I dont know how accurate that is... I hope its good but it says there is a 3/6NL running.
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05-15-2012 , 12:26 PM
I have heard that there is still a line to get in the door. Can anyone confirm?
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05-15-2012 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cardking303
I have heard that there is still a line to get in the door. Can anyone confirm?
could be a lunch time rush... Interested to see how long there is going to be a line.
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05-15-2012 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by UGotTheTouch
Very likely limit, the floor needs to fix it on the screen.

I see this second they got 9 on the 1-2 PLO and 11 on the 5-10 NL list - someone needs to get the shift to call those games down. It's opening night, they should be on top of getting every game that can go going.
Both games were called multiple times. 5/10 was called at least 4 times just the normal stuff 4 or 5 of the 5/10 guys were on the 2/5 game didnt move over only 2 guys get chips and sit down so no one else moves over. The 2nd 1/2 PLO finally got off after the 3rd call I think.
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05-15-2012 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cardking303
I have heard that there is still a line to get in the door. Can anyone confirm?
Confirmed line at 12:30 with a 20-30 min wait and the line is growing.
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05-15-2012 , 01:04 PM
Anyone know if they take call aheads yet? And if so the number for the poker room?
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