Again, not true. The 5/10 game opened around 4, making the 2/5 short temporarily but we played 6 handed and the game eventually filled back up and we broke around 5:30/6 in the morning. About four people left for the 5/10 and eventually they were fighting to get back to the 2/5 because the 5/10 game simply wasn't any good.

Anyway, is anyone interested in playing 10/20 holdem/omaha 8 tomorrow at 6?

you don't really understand the casual players mindset. casinos don't cater to professional players. your average guy off the street does not choose a casino based on slot payout rates (if they cared about them alot they probably just would not play) nor do they care much about how much the rake is (maybe a little bit)

so what im saying is an indian place that promoted high slot payouts and low rake but was in a rural area and simply not as nice as a casino likely would not have much success.

the only disappointing thing is the comps. the casual players do love getting a free meal especially at the lower limits. .25 cents an hour is kind of an insult honestly, 0 would almost be less insulting, but obviously if you play alot the tier points and such have some value.

granted going to the casino is better than nautica, but alot of people expected such big things from the casino. most are kind of disappointed. although obviously, professional dealers and 24 hrs is great.

People who post here are in the minority. Lets say less than 5% and more like 1% of the player pool at the casino. We see things differently and thats fine, but we cant expect for others to see it our way.

The casino is NOT going to cater to us. Why would they? They are full and busy most of the time and arent hurting for business.

What would make me upset is if business dies down in a year and the place is slow and then they decide to cater to us as regulars. But we cant do anything about it. It is what it is... And its not that bad.

Everyone seems to forget that Mountaineer used to **** on everyone. We got virtually zero comp dollars and next to zero consideration for hotel rooms even when they were hosting 1K buy-in tournaments, yet everyone kept on driving there. The Rivers has to comp $1 because they have to compete with the Meadows and to a lesser extent Mountaineer and also compensate for not having any hotel service. I'd much rather get Caesars tier credits and comped or reduced room rates than $1 for food. Those rooms are significantly more valuable to me when I drive 50 minutes. I would imagine the majority of people on here won't complain when their Caesars tier reaches a certain point and they start to receive free rooms in Vegas. Register at totalrewards.com and I'm sure most everyone already has reduced or comped rates out there as well. I also find it comical that now everyone wants to bitch about comps and rake... really? How about Nautica? Everyone tolerated Nautica for years. Instead of recruiting the fish for house games and staging a mass boycott, Nautica thrived, raked/raped everyone with zero comps and respect for players but now all of a sudden the casino is the issue? Come on...

Yes, insulting is the word.

Does anyone remember what Wheeling Island did when they opened for poker and table games? The issued player cards, but didn't have a plan for poker comps. For the first 18 months, poker players dutifully swiped their cards, and we were told that we'd have credit once the comp program started up. Well, it finally started, at .25/hour - and no credit was issued for the year and a half of accumulated hours. That's right, 0/hr for 18 months. We probably all still receive occasional Wheeling marketing mail talking about how they have the most generous comp program around (or something like that).

The fact is, our regional choices are still limited. So the rakes are high, the comps are weak, there won't be any perks like free drinks, etc. We're a captive customer base, so they're going to squeeze us because they can.

Its true about the rooms. I use my room comps all the time while traveling so I agree with you there. But about Nautica, we knew what we were getting every time we walked in the door. But even they lowered the rake to $6 and no tips.

We dont need to complain, at least not now. Competition and a loss of customers will be the only thing to change the casinos ways. For now, lets just accept it.

You don't know what you're getting at the Horseshoe? Even if it's up in the air, you know you're getting somewhere between $0.25 and $1 an hour for tips and free parking after an hour.

Let's not forget that Nautica's games, save the highest limits, had insane time fees before they finally instituted a rake-based system prior to the casino amendment passing. They had no trouble taking advantage of players when they had the upper hand, either.

agree, the casino is better than nautica/house games, not really be by as much as people hoped though. and for those of us who play alot its not like there is any reason to take our business to Rivers, Detroit, etc. traveling that distance does not seem like an option to me.

Every place has flaws. Let's get back to the important thing... who wants to play a 10/20 mixed variant tomorrow? HO, HORSE, ORSE, OE? We could add in some NL or PLO if they'd let us... anything... anybody??

I'll probably be there and would probably play 10/20 or higher. I think a 2/5 nl or ok limit game that included stud games or 08 would be cool and maybe attract some gamblers. Ive never seen no limit stud rum at any casino anywhere. But I think it used to be played a very long time ago.

Yeah, I just meant adding NLH or PLO to the mix. I'm up for adding/playing any and all games.

If you can't get the game going, I would be willing to do 5/10 HO (The 'O' is 8OB, right?)... PM me, I don't play on Friday or Saturday because of the wait. I refuse to wait in a line, only to be put n another one. There is a Kill for limit at the Shoe right? I haven't played live limit for about 4 years so I would want to start off lower. 1/2 NL/PLO round by round would be fun too.

As far as comps, I've been getting $0.25/hr since I started playing there. A dealer stated that it was $1/hr last week but I guess she was wrong. She also said that the casino didn't want to give ANY comps to the poker players, but Jeremy went to bat for us. The down side is having to swipe your card in order to get free parking. Since the comps are so low I do not want them tracking my playing time.

The dealers are getting better, but they're still bad. I have a hard time tipping because I know the tokes are pooled. Even the worst dealer at Mountaineer is light years ahead of the current dealer staff for the most part. I really wanted to ask if they have ever played poker before. When a new dealer sits it takes about 5 minutes to count their tiny rack (Constantly over and under), add in their confusion when it comes to the rules, terrible pitching and you get about 14 hands/hr. Ive also been at a table when a decent dealer was shuffled off to deal 3 card poker downstairs on the floor. WTH?

I understand that the dealers are better on the other half of the room but the lower limit games are plentiful and bring in the money. There are far too many open seats at 1/2 constantly; the floor doesn't need to walk you to the table. Give them a table number and let them wader off and find it themselves. Then keeping doing that down the list.

I will most likely play. I can't get there until around 8 though. I'd prefer playing LHE and O8.

As for parking I don't understand why the casino acts like they are doing us such a favor with free parking? Almost every casino in the country has free parking. I understand the point of having to pay a bit if you don't play because you cannot have a free parking lot next to progressive field and the Q. But saying free parking is a perk seems wrong to me.

I am open to anything but as you know, its hard for me to give up playing PLO to sit at a table with older rocks to play stud 8 and razz and all that. On sunday afternoons thats great, but action nights I cant do it.

If you add in NLH and PLO to the mix and that gets players then I am all for it and will play.

i mite come down, will be closer to 7.

thurs seems like a bad day as interest hasnt been there. cap suggests sunday afternoon so mebbe we can try to get that going.

5/10 horse has run sundays so far.

is there a full kill in that game? I would def play if it was bumped to 1020. 510 with that rake structure just feels so dirty.

My understanding is that the HORSE game has a full kill on the flop games. I can't say for sure because I haven't played. I've tried to get there but the game has broken early the past two weeks.

I'll be up tonight around 7 for anyone that wants to play any type of mixed game. I'm going to call and start a few lists so hopefully some interest grows on my drive up.

There was no kill in that 5/10 HORSE game on the flop games. But if you are interested in a kill talk to Jeremy when we played mixed games we played with a kill or a straddle rock. Either one is better than nothing.

This.

I was on the 10/20 lists last Friday (they had no hopes of going of anyway) but there was no way I was leaving PLO, which was ZOMG good.

played 1/2 3x this week here. seems they are doing everything to make playing there an unpleasant experience.

1. cutting comps to a laughable .25. I will not even give them my card in my completely ineffective protest attempt.

2. abusive players--the dealers/floor seem to let players get away with yelling at and intimidating other players. they may get a talking to, but no one seems to get booted. my table had 2 such instances within 15 mins.

3. dealers--if you don't remind them that they don't take the drop until the flop they will rob you blind.

4. oh yes, the ridiculous rake.

5. maybe it is just me, but it seems all harrahs/caesars properties treat their gamblers like crap. i get 5x more mailings and deals from mgm.

The front desk remains poorly run. At 11:00 p.m., the table next to us had 5 empty seats and a list of 15 people and it took 25-30 minutes to fill. The short floor guy told the table that reminding them about the open seats made things worse not better, even though it had been ten minutes, they hadn't called a name and only one person's name was blinking on the board.

On the other hand, the dealers have greatly improved and are giving good service.

Definately keep giving them your card even though the hourly comps suck. You still get 17 tier credits which are valuable for improving your card status and in turn getting better offers for Vegas and such.

So I took a glance at Bravo on Saturday night, scrolled down and saw Cleveland Horseshoe at 25 games, clicked on it, saw the lists were deep with enough players for over 30 tables, shook my head, and moved on.

I feel bad for you guys. Waited for a "professionally run" room at a casino to bring in all the fish that wouldn't dare enter the neighborhood Nautica is in, and you guys got people that could be outmanaged by monkeys.

There's zero excuse for not having enough dealers - they had over 10,000 people walk through those doors looking for jobs for over a year, and they knew all along this room was going to be 30 tables.

Five weeks in, and still no answers. First impressions are everything, and the impression here is Jeremy's failed the player community there. Either he failed at staffing his room, or he failed in that he's a schnook in the Harrahs system with no power to get things done. It's a shame.