= ( is it worth the 5 hour trip to play PLO ?

If you decide to come, I'd wait for a weekend for sure, see if you can get comped at at local hotel as well.

How do we get comped

If you have been to Vegas previously or any other location with caesars props then log in to your total rewards account online, they have been giving out rooms to alot of people to come check out the new horseshoe

2/5 plo plays very deep so $1k is short IMO. But I honestly dont buy in for max amounts in PLO anyways. Well, at 1/2 I do bc the game is sooooooo good sometimes.

id hardly call 1k short, usually if the full amount goes in its huge draw vs. set etc. not like people give away 1k in these games (at least not that often)

there always seems to be a mindset among cash game players that deeper is always better. its not always true from an action perspective. when there are more short stacks the money will likely go in lighter. does it make it a more interesting game to see more showdowns? maybe? just looking at it from a casual players perspective.

not really saying people should not be allowed to buy in for more. but to think it would make the games much better is not necessarily true.

A couple things I noticed from my trip yesterday..

Comps - The first time I played there, I got 300 reward points for playing 3 hours of poker, so $1.00 per hour. Since then I've played poker for between 5-6 hours. I currently have 439 reward points. I watched the dealers swipe me in at all tables, and I waited until several hours (and checked again the day after) after any play to check my balance. This is consistent with $0.25 per hour, while the first time I played I received $1.00 per hour.

Waitlist, etc - I was sitting at a 1/2 NLHE game where 1 person got up to smoke, 1 person busted, and 2 people picked up and left. I didn't have a ton of time or money, so I was shortstacking. Since it wasn't in my best interest to play 5 handed, I requested a table change from the dealer. He said I wouldn't be allowed to change tables, since it would cause my table to break, so if I wanted another seat, I'd have to go to the bottom of the waiting list. I have no idea if that's standard or not for here, but that seems kind of ridiculous. Also after I left, the table didn't even break. I waited another 20 minutes to get another seat (there were open seats EVERYWHERE, including 5 at the table I left from, and the list was only 15 names long) - and when I brought up the situation to the person running the waitlist, he said "he'd get someone for me to talk to" then never did. When I brought it up to the floor person taking me to my seat after the 20 minutes, he shrugged it off as if it was standard.

Dealers - The dealers at the 1/2 NLHE were pretty awful, except for one. I also played 1/2 PLO, and every dealer I've had in my 2 trips playing PLO has been excellent. Both times we ended up playing at the table directly behind the desk, so I'm not sure if that's considered to be part of the better half of the room or not.

I feel that the 2/5 PLO plays as big as the 5/10. Usually there are straddles and plays big.

Are we 100% thats comps have changed? In the beginning i though they were. 25 and was corrected. I might be there tomorrow and will check.

In this thread, there are some people who have reported $.25/hr, and others who have reported $1/hr. A few have reported both rates, from different sessions. Floor personnel have claimed $.25/hr.

It seems unclear to me.

It's very unclear.

Maybe we should list all the proposed variables with our future results. For example I'm hoping to play on Friday. I can check comps and list

points received
time played
game and level
TR Level (Gold - preexising card)
time of day (maybe they comp more during off hours but you would think they would promote it)
parking comp yes or no

Then we can compile data and figure it out.

Also with the seats not filling fast enough, they give a lot of time to claim a seat. Maybe they should cut down a little on the time allowed to claim the seat. Usually there are a number of players hanging around the front desk area who ready to go but they are waiting on someone notified by text who may be on the bottom floor playing in the pit or something and people wonder why they won't call the next name. Thus a seat may remain unfilled for 20 minutes with a full list when a bunch of people not responding are in a row.

Comps are now $0.25 / hour for everyone

First few times I was there I got $1 an hour. Last time I was there I only got $.25 an hour. But I also had to go to the tr desk to get my parking voucher because the kiosk was saying I hadn't playe at all. I know the dealer had me in right because I checked it from time to time over the 6 hours I played. So maybe the whole system was messed up the last time I was there. Last wednesday.

If the comps are only .25 then I am going to the other casino... We NEED competition for change so until then lets just accept it. Blah blah blah

That stinks. Plus they already increased the price of beer by a dollar. Maybe they're trying to remedy the long waits by steering customers away. Business 101.

I have logged almost 100 hours in the poker room since the open and was comp accordingly at $1/hour which I considered fair. However, the management has recently decided to kick the comps down to 25 cents per hour? Are you kidding me. The Horseshoe is putting itself on the same pedestal as Mountaineer Casino? Heck, Rivers has always been and still is $1/hour. SHAME on you Horseshoe. You are raking on average $100/hour from each table (if not more), and cannot payout $9/hour ($1 to each player)? It really is sad. Why do you have to be so greedy. All the comps we earn playing poker are used to buy food and or gifts and the mark up on those items isn't enough for you? So in other words, I need to play 32 hours of poker to be able to buy one $8 hamburger (actually more like 34 hours due to the tax on the burger). Sick. Really sick. All I can say is it will trickle down to the dealers and waiters/waitresses. From now on, I will hold back all tips until I save $1/hour to account for YOUR greed. I hate to do it, but maybe your employees will start giving you some grief. I will also encourage everyone around me to do the same. SHAME ON YOU.

PS: Also, beer prices up $1 to $4 for a draft and $5 for a bottle of beer? Are you kidding me?

Toledo? Atleast for me still not worth the 1.75 hour drive. Does suck though!

Of course in the short run both these decisions are good for the bottom line. But in the long run its nice to give a little something to the customer. I would not call getting a free meal for 8 hrs. of play expecting much. Nothing wrong with building a little bit of customer loyalty. I would think 90 percent of players in the building are rec. players (even if some think they are pros.) That means that for the most part they are playing poker for entertainment reasons. So there is a choice in entertainment spending in town, even though quite frankly Cleveland is a lame, broke ass city.

"Action is starting to dry up already. Saturday we only had 1 1/2 PLO and they opened another and the main game died. 2/5 ran until the 5/10 opened then that game broke early in the night."

That's not true, I played 17 hours of 2/5 PLO on Saturday, game ran until 6AM on Sunday with a reasonable list. The room is slowing down but Saturday should have been slow every where with the combination of the Belmont, Celts/Heat, Pacquiao/Bradley and the weather.

Problem is that since at the moment on a Tuesday night they have 21 tables running with 50 players on the waiting list and even early this afternoon they had a dozen running they aren't walking all over us so much as crowd diving right over the top while basking in the glow of the teeming mirrions of fans and pissing silver dollars.

The monopoly IS the problem though especially with the way the law was written and the commission allowing them to serve up games which rape the players. But walk in to the high limit room and you won't fail to see people playing $100 min per hand blackjack with an 8 deck shoe and BJ paying 3 to 2 and still others feeding money into $5 slots that pay out 85%. Poker is just one of many bad deals.

I think our hope will come with indian nations. Because when you allow a casinos in Ohio (or anywhere) even if the legiislation gives that casino a monopoly the tribes are allowed to have on their own land whatever is allowed elsewhere in the state. So look for tribes to start with land claims and then work to give us some competitive choices, and when it happens it will happen suddenly.

I hope.

Several players have left for the WSOP as well.

Unless you shop with your feet, (which the majority won't), the casino can do whatever they want.

All the 2/5 players went to 5/10 and then that game broke early in the night. I guess they opened another 2/5 around 6-7 then. I am 100% sure bc I thought it died but we had 1 and a half 1/2 PLO running though and then the main game died and we had 3 people left to fill the 2nd game.

Anyways, on Tuesday night there was a list of 10 names for 1/2 PLO with 1 game running and I asked if they would open a new table and they said that there were not enough dealers. They are starting a new poker dealer training class soon for new dealers.

I dont think anyone can. Where can we go?