I like to think my brain is my edge in tournaments. I make the final table 70% of the time. They are now giving an extra 10,000 starting chips to players who are early birds and arrive 2-4 hours early at the room which is an extra 67%. I show up for tournaments at the start and I am too busy to spend this extra time waiting for the Tournaments. I understand they don't care about tournament players as much as cash players but this marketing ploy is a slap in our faces. My brain and skill cannot overcome that edge. I will not be playing in these. MTWTH 7:15PM starts. I pay a ton of entry fees and they will be loosing that money. I hope all Tournament players will discuss this with poker room manaagement.
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Cow Q

Giving extra chips to players who register early or play cash hours is extremely tacky, unprofessional, and places those who are unable to register early at a disadvantage. The TDA rules require full stacks for late registrants and one of the reasons why was because you never want to disincentivise players from coming late to play. Players know that if they can't get there early they can still show up late and get a full stack. It makes for a more fair tournament, you will get additional players, and it's far superior from a guest service perspective.

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I never play their tournaments so I didn't think much of that promo (aside from how dumb it is as usual). I didn't even consider how unfair it is to tourney players that can't get there 3 hours before start time. That's awful.

Also pretty frustrating to see $250k-300k in the promo reserve and one of the two promos is a $25k freeroll that you can only qualify for by playing their other tournaments. How is this fair? You use the money contributed entirely by cash players to fund a tournament that cash players aren't eligible for.

Just another terribly ineffective promo.

It's a f'ed up room, poorly run. If the cash games weren't so damn easy I wouldn't play there.

+1 this is beyond stupid.

I would hope the nightly tournament numbers go down substantially when people learn the early registers get more chips.

I made my decision not to play in the Mon-Thu 7:15 tournaments until they get back to the TDA rule of no player being penalized for entering late, all stacks should start the same.
I will make these my internet play days and come back Fri-Sun.
CowQ

Technically, they're not penalizing for entering late, they're rewarding for entering early. Kind of like how they're not penalizing men for entering the women's wsop tournament, just offering a discount for women.

That said, it's still a stupid promo. Not that I entered too many of their tournaments anyway, but with my inability to register early enough to qualify for the extra chips, I have even less incentive now.

ABSOLUTELY. It is a no brainer in the sense of fairness...and what is more concerning is that this is a poker room that has it eye clearly on themselves and how they can improve their bottom line, not the poker player, regular or novice. They are giving the advantage to players early so they will sit on cash games while wanting. Just a money grab. Pretty sick...and they are not shy or do they seem to care about how obvious they are.

They seem to stick with the same dealers and I have to tell you, their service and personalities for about half of them are horrible. Example - in a tournament last week I was at a table where one of the first / original dealers made 3 mistakes in her 30 minute session. One time she forced a guy to double ante because she didn't take the time to count the table only had 9seated and not the 10 she was calculating. When pointed out, she corrected and shrugged it off. What an ego. Anyone that plays reg will know who this is...original dealer with an ego and makes tons of mistakes..forget about PLO because she admitedly can't count...lol. How about training the dealers a little on customer service and losing their ego's? Dealers focused on service and management focused on dealers being nice and focusing on the actual game of POKER, and not just extra ways to increase the houses edge / bottom line. Do this and the seats will fill up...like MAGIC !!

Funny part is they would get more cash action if they used the promo money for promotions people actually want. Instead they come up with weird convoluted ways to generate cash action, like dumping 25k into a freeroll that requires playing tournaments where you can only get the extra chips by registering several hours early and playing cash while waiting around.

A completely meaningless distnction.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree. But if someone is going to quote rules and regulations as to why something should change ("until they get back to the TDA rule of no player being penalized for entering late"), then they need to know the formal difference. As dumb as the system is, they're not breaking any TDA.

From TDA: 7: Alternates, Late Registration, & Re-Entries
Alternates, players registering late, and re-entries will be sold full stacks

This shows the intention of equal stacks.

Everyone should start with a full stack. Not some fuller than others.

"All men are created equal" Some more than others! lol

They did get 13 players in the tournament today so they must be doing something right!

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Yeah I mean I get that it's not "technically" a penalty according to TDA, but it achieves the same effect.

If you want to truly get technical then the definition of "penalty" is "a disadvantage or handicap imposed on a player or team." If you register 20 minutes before the tournament begins and start with 10k less chips than other players, you are at a disadvantage. So yeah, I'd say it's a penalty for not registering hours early.

And add-ons?

Of course it is. Just because it's not technically a penalty doesn't mean it's not stupid. People see a post where I correct something that isn't factual and misinterpret the meaning behind it as, "he must think it's a good idea". No, it's dumb and it's discouraged me from playing. But I'm not going to say I'm doing it because it's against the TDA, because it's not. I'm not going to play it because it shortchanges my ability to play profitable tournament poker; something accomplished almost as easily by the tournament rake, which is why I don't play many tourneys there to begin with.

But for what it's worth, that's how they get around such things. The disadvantage isn't being IMPOSED on the late players. It's an effect on the late players as a result of the early players getting more chips. Does it have the same effect? Obviously. Should people who are unhappy about it play in that tournament? Of course not. I don't.

This room is just depressing. 45 players in the tournament tonight and no 2/5+ or any fixed limit games.

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Tell me about it. I'm usually the lone guy on the random HORSE list.

Yup. It's either tournament, PLO, or the 1/3 short stack mania. And $200 high hand is a waste of promo $ again. It's just never going to get non-regs into the room.

I've been killing the 1-3 game lately. So many horse's asses in that game who can't wait to give you all their money. Are the 2-5 games just as easy when they run?

Any news on another quarterly tourney being played in May?

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I just spoke to the Poker Room and there are no more Harley Davidson quarterly tournaments.

This fing place can kiss both cheeks! wtf smh gfy

Are we not allowed to discuss specific donkeys that request the NL cash games?

Iirc, you can only name known pros or celebrities. There should be a sticky at the top of this forum with details.

Well obviously. Harley had a deal with Caesar's. I'm sure they'll get another series going but I'm sure it won't be until they settle in after transition.