The Sunday night tournament once again did not go off. Shocking.

I played Friday night and all day Sunday and observed different behavior, most people bought in for at least 500 and many bought in for the max. The game started around 2:30 PM on Sunday and was still running with a list when I left at 11:30 PM. There was also a full feeder table for a few hours in the evening on Sunday.

The truth is the majority of the 2/5 player pool prefer the 1k buy-in. Before the old manager left, there was a group of 9 or 10 2/5 players that were trying to schedule a meeting with her to explain that they all preferred the 1k buy-in. Unfortunately she left before that meeting occurred. Between Friday and Sunday, I was only able to find 2 people that said they prefer the 500 buy-in and they both had the same response as to why they preferred it. They both said that they don't like the 1k buy-in because it brings "better" players to the casino to play in the game. Lowering the buy-in to DETER "better" players from coming to the casino is not a good reason and is bad business for the casino.

I assume the responses from the 2 people were from players, not poker room/casino representatives. Obviously, players want to sit at a table where they think they have the best opportunity to win money and not be at a table with 4 or 5 "better" players. I don't think the poker room/casino personnel really care about whether or not the players are "Better", it has little to do with their business model. All they care about is maximizing the house rake of $6 per hand. The 1/3NL and 4/8 limit games were introduced to increase the house take per hand. Raising the buyin back to 1K for the 2/5 game does little to a game which already takes in the $6 rake on most hands and if it doesn't run daily, the increase house take from a few 1/3 games compensates for it.

I'm cynical by nature, so I think most decisions made by the poker room/ casino are made with the casino's best interest in mind, not made because of the players and their suggestions.

For the record, I'm OK with the 1K buyin, but I will also be looking for the softer game rather than playing at one with the "better" players.

Ding ding ding

Any company that is controlled by investors and shareholders will take this mindset. This one being no different.

The room could care less about who is playing, as long as there are bodies in seats paying rake.

Anyone here playing the $500 tomorrow?

4 am on a Sunday and 5/10 is still running with a list

8 PM and there is no $2/$5 running. The nightly tournament did not run because they didn't get enough players to register. There is one limit game running with no players on the list. The Sunday night tournament hasn't run in back to back weeks. They are also giving away much less money during the holidays this year.

GG Horseshoe

The Christmas promotion was aweful last year. To many people sitting around folding waiting for the drawing. Personally like the change to 1/3 as I'm happier with the gane selection. 1/2 was too small and never had good experiences at 2/5 (very tight games).

Management is doing a poor job on some things like tournaments and the limit game. However as long as the Horseshoe is the only poker room in town there will be games.

But obviously it could be run better.

Are they including PLO in the high hand promotion yet ?

I'm in town for the week on business. How are the PLO games and do they typically run all week or mainly weekends?

Thanks!

Today's Saturday $80 NLHE Tournament had 35 entrants with a prize pool of $2,100. An $80 NLHE tournament on a high volume weekend afternoon is an absolute waste of a great tournament slot. With several tournaments failing to run and low numbers in many others, I think it's safe to say that the tournament schedule changes have been largely unsuccessful.

i've never not been able to play PLO on whatever day i go

Awesome, thanks!

Yeah this is pretty dumb. Throw in an identical bounty tourney like on Weds night in the noon slot. They need to re-think these $180 weekend tourneys in the night slot too.

They need to bring back antes too. This no ante nonsense is dragging these tourneys out even longer and allowing bad players to fold more properly without knowing they are actually playing more correctly.

Yeahhhhh the no ante thing is freaking mind boggling

I have played more tournaments that i wanted too since the changes because my friends still like to play them. The new structures are crap, the turnouts are low but there are alot of new, unknown players who are clearly novice players. I think cheaper tournaments are a great vehicle to get new players in the room. However, they need a decent structure higher buy in tournament to keep the more experienced tournament players from going to pittsburgh, toledo or columbus for more skilled, better structured tournaments.

fwiw, I was pulled aside by -insert best floor person's name here- and there are a apparently a lot of changes coming to the tournaments in the beginning of the year. I generally give the floor a lot of grief over their decisions, but it seems like they are aware at just how bad they screwed up. I don't really wanna divulge specifics publicly since we sort of talked on the side and I don't want anybody getting in trouble. PM me if you'd like, or just pull aside the guy losing his mind nightly at 1/3 D:

They went from having the best tournament schedule in the state of Ohio with great tournament staff to easily having the worst.

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I have basically given up on this place. I'll be there for the Quarterly and the $500. The vibe I've gotten talking to players there is it never actually gets better it just gets worse and worse with every new person put in charge.

Everyone seems to hate this place i blame the browns ...
I see a lot of complaints about the tournaments but you all seem to have been playing in them if you don't like them for whatever reason I would say don't play in them there are other options PLO game has attracted some NLHE players from what i have seen who seem terrible but fearless which is beautiful at times lol

Well yeah if you are just looking to play 1/2 plo or 1/3 nl cash not really much to complain about. Bigger games, a normal tournament structure, or a wsop event than you have something to complain about. The must move rules are stupid too.

true true and yes must move rules here are very weird I wonder if they are thinking about changing them

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I'd love to hear some reactions

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