As a cash game reg, I can tell you nothing feels better than to see $10k added in to the tourney economy what seems like every two weeks or so. Those nitty tourney regs love to just churn their money in basically these negative rake tourneys that the cash games help support. Just look at the attendance of the non-gtd tourneys, it's a wasteland.

There is no reason that they do not run $200 high hands every half hour from 5pm-2am Fri-Sun. Everyone wins, it draws in players, the regs exploit the recs playing for the high hand, the recs are happy with the dream of Flopping Aces full of 7s and winning $200 while they are losing $50/hr at 1-2.

The result of not having a room manager are these awful promos and lack of marketing for the room. They could seriously mimic everything Columbus is doing by opening bravo, and traffic would go up. Imagine if JACK had a 40 hrs in a week = $500 cash like Columbus? It would be off the chain.

Players from other cities win the badbeats also.

Sure they can win it, but they usually don't come in explicitly for it unless it's high. The bad beat was also not a sure fire thing to go off at a regular time. During the main event high hand people came in from all over and occupied limited seats in the room that local players (who have contributed tons to the fund) couldn't fill because they were taken. If the bad beat hits it's random and will most likely involve some local players at the table (thus keeping the money in the room). The main event seats took 10,000 winning pots from the local scene and gave it to someone that's never contributed at all to the fund.

Also my overall point was that the promo fund is a dumb concept anyway.

The promo fund is not dumb when used correctly, see Columbus and Florida card rooms.

I am reaching out to get clarification on this. I see nothing in the structure sheets that indicates the added seats are coming out of the prize pool. If anyone can point where this is listed, please feel free to share. Suggesting that something underhanded is happening and not providing the proof of it is not fair to the room or the players.

At the top right also listed under number 8.

Stupid question from someone who isn't in the area:

I'll be traveling and will be in Cincy over Labor Day weekend, and will at some point be looking to get a few hours in. With the tournament going on, is that likely to limit the availability of cash tables (just basic 1/2 probably)?

Will wait for confirmation I can say something shady is going on.

I do see the seats are coming out of the prize pool, but to for anyone to suggest that the poker room is doing something shady is simply not a fair or accurate thing to say. It is disclosed in the tourney information. Nothing is being hidden or being done in any improper way. This is an extremely regulated business and to make accusations like this are not helpful. The poker room manager ran the old Hollywood Casino Poker room for years and has worked at this room since it opened. He loves his job and he is certainly not going to do anything to jeopardize it. If anyone wants his email address, I will be happy to provide it to you in a private message so you can share your thoughts or suggestions on how to make the room better. I am not trying to argue with anyone ITT. I am just trying to make sure that the information that people view here is accurate and truthful and not just rumors.

So it is truthful and people can interpret for themselves if it's shady. I've laid out the facts.

We can agree to disagree.

The OCCC will stop this. They are subtracting x from prizepool and adding y. X=Y. And they get to rake X. Its basically the net same result as giving out vouchers, they are just laundering the promo money through the prelim prizepools.

Its not shady but the OCCC will figure it out. Its obv whoever approves this from OCCC is totally clueless to anything poker.

Shady and scummy actually

A couple things. First off, I asked a couple different supervisors in the past 3 days if the 15k for the 10 seats was going to have the house juice taken out and no one could answer that question. If they don't want us to judge, jump to conclusions, call them out on here then they need to do a better job of informing their staff what the hell is actually going on. Secondly since the last guy left as manager a couple months ago the dealers and supervisors have said they do not have a room manager. I asked again yesterday after your post and was told the same thing. That no one has been promoted to manager. So do you have some inside information that the actual supervisors or dealers don't even know about???

Lastly my opinion is that yes, it says 15k added and then directly under that it says 10 seats coming out of the prize pool. It has to be an issue with the state that they cannot just say 15 seats added like it has in the past 4 years just like they can not just give seats away from some random drawings like before. This is there way of "getting around the system" and approved by the state. If nobody brings it to the attention of the state then they'll continue to use this end around to use promo money to give away tournament seats.

No room manager. There is kind of a tenured head, but JACK doesnt want to pay someone to be a poker manager. They would rather lump it in with the pit managers. That never works. At this point there is no one emetionally connected to the room and players. JACK's overall customer service is some of the worst I've experienced in about 40 casinos across the country, would you expect anything different?

I feel confident that nothing shady is going on but I understand why people are concerned that it is being done this way. The person running the room is a stand up guy and I do not personally believe he would be on board with anything that was not above board. As far as the room manager I was wrong about that and I apologize. I have sent you, ChainScrila and pwnsall to try to help you guys get answers from the source as the most important thing is that the players in the room are happy and clearly that is not the case now nor has it been for some time.

I think the room really encourages nitty play in cash games.

I have always thought the caps on the games were low.

Do you guys think have two versions of 1-2 and 2-5 would be helpful? Just have deepstack versions of the game. Still have the 50-200 1-2 but also add a 200-400 or 200-500 1/2 game. Keep 2-5 at 200-500, but also have a 500-1000.

Some will say this will kill the 5-10 game, well the 5-10 game isnt really loaded with fish. If you look at the lineup every weekend, its pretty much 6 or 7 of the same regs and occasionally a few randoms.

If anyone reads this (sorry not sending suggestions until there is an actual manager in the room), please consider adjusting the caps. Cincy is years behind Columbus and Louisville in this regard. Another suggestion would be to start single table sit n gos. The tourney economy is big enough here that I think it would be wise to bring these to the room. Once enough people bust out of the tourney and there is an extra dealer or two, they can hop in an $80, $100, $150, $200, etc sit n go.

How will raising the buy in caps increase action? If people aren't willing to splash around and 3 bet with anything but QQ+ for $500 how will making their maximum risk $1,000 be any better?

Jasons reason for the low cap was the he didn't want people burning through their rolls too quickly. His goal was to keep everyone in action in order to create more games. More games and more people consistently in the game = more rake, which was his job. I dunno if current management cares either way though

I live 15 min from Jack and drive to Columbus to play because of the promos and $400 max buyin. I don't think the average recreational player cares about the max.
When I played at Hollywood, the max buyin for 1/3 was $500 and I bought in for $300-$200 depending on my roll at the time. The fact that Gary always starting with a rack of red birds didn't stop me from playing with a smaller stack.

To me it is more about the min buy-in amounts than the max. I hate nothing more than having a seat filled by someone buying in for $50.

In the past any time they have tournaments it has limited the availability of the cash tables as they play the tournaments in the normal poker room that only has 31 total tables. As a result on a weekend that will have more people in the casino if they have 12-15 tables being used for the tournament then it will cause there to be longer lists than normal.

That being said, I can not think of any time that I have spent much more than 45 or so minutes waiting for a game other than when they have had the high hand giveaway last year and were giving away either $20k or $25k the last hour or whatever.

They do not do call ins, so if you are going to play that weekend I would suggest looking at Bravo prior to showing up and seeing how long the lists are and adjust your plans for the day accordingly.

The $50 min encourages people you dont really want in the room to be in the room. It's much quicker to relod someone for $100. And the $50 stack people constantly being all in equates to more time counting them down.

The low buy-ins just encourages nit play. The 1-2 games are seriously the worst I've played in. If you create a DS buy in for both 1-2 and 2-5, the nits can still buy in to the normal game. It also allows people who may have ran it up at 1-2 to go play in a better game i stead of jumping to 2-5 and restarting with a $500 stack. There is nothing worse than being in a 1-2 game at 11pm on a Friday and having a $700 stack and you have more than the rest of the table combined.

Every other room in the area has larger caps besides HW, and I'm not sure why they would want to be like HW. The player pool has enough liquidity that starting DS games will not destroy the games.

There are definitely worse things than being up $500. If it's that big of a deal to you, request a table change to one with deeper stacks.

In my limited experience, Cincinnati does tend to attract more rec players than Columbus. Not sure if that is due to buy-in structure or other factors. I'm personally ok with $200 max buy-in, but I think it's on the lower end of acceptable.

Also, dumping $45,000 of the CASH game promotional fund to juice tournaments is just ridiculous and a betrayal of their players. That's 45k hands in which somebody paid a dollar with the expectation that it was going to be used to promote cash games. At least when they gave away tournament vouchers, they gave them to people playing cash games.

Columbus and Cincinnati are about the same distance from me. Even though I prefer Jack, I've been playing at Hollywood because promotions are so much better ($3000+ of promotional winning in last 2 months).

The problem is that there are rarely deeper stacked 1-2 games. It's next to impossible even at midnight on the weekend to find a 1-2 game with $1500 in play.

$45k is just a drop when you look at how much goes in every month to the tourneys. At least $30-40k goes in a month.

200 max buy in at 1/2? Ugh. Just tables of guys sitting around waiting to cooler each other? Might rethink my plans now.


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