Thanks for the report. Doesn't sound particularly attractive.

Interesting. You would've bumped into me if I didn't have plans come up.

The set up is indeed how you describe. Very much a home game, but with substantially more money and about the same set of players.

Just got back from the Thurs. cash game there. It's much smaller on Thurs, usually getting between 8-16 players. Tonight there were two tables, one with 8 and one with 7.

I was card dead for most of the night but won three posts of over $100 by calling a river bet with A-high. Their bluffs are pitifully transparent.

The games have tons of action. And it's very bad action. It's an easy game to turn a very solid profit in if you're willing to withstand the swings and have a solid bankroll.

Bear, were I you, now that you've shown your face, I'd suggest maybe showing up at 7-7:30 next tues and just hopping into the cash game. Act disappointed that you missed the tourney and I'm sure it'll be fine. I plan on trying to make it.

Tomorrow is the big southside game at the KoC. I'm going to do everything I can to be there. If anyone decides to go, hit me with a sup bro.

Edit: Also, what the **** is "pass the deal" you mean if there are 7 left, whomever is dealing has to deal and be out of the hand? Ahahahaha **** that noise. Not that I'd play the tourney anyway, but damn.

I'd be there if BPL wasn't on Saturday morning. Hope to make the trip Saturday afternoon if the game is still going.

Good luck to both you and cardshark this weekend - busy weekend for me so can't get in any hours. Let me know how the KoC game goes - might add that into my rotation for Saturdays (I've playing at Live since moving down here a few months ago - I love the e-tables).

Exactly - having to sit out once every orbit to deal was tilting as hell. To further piss me off, if someone moved to our table during play - they were moved to right of whoever was dealing (effectively making them the button for the next hand). Twice I lost my button towards the middle-end of the tourney - not happy. The local regs, however, thought I was crazy.

Good deal. I plan on heading over there tonight if my plans wrap up soon enough. If not I'll try tomorrow to see if it's still going.

I've not been myself yet and this is all second hand, but I heard it runs for 30 hours from 6 Fri-12AM Sun. Hopefully that's true.

Wow, you like e-tables. You're the first person I've ever heard say that. Wish I felt like you did. Those drives to Cincy are killer.

Can't believe that's actually a rule. What is the possible justification for that???

Alright, here is the trip report for KoC Southside. I tried to catch all the details I could for you guys:

Day started out really slow. Showed up a little after noon and there was no game, zilch. Talked to the bartender and he said the game usually starts at 3pm so I just caught the Arsenal game at the local McDonalds. 3pm rolls around and there STILL isn't anybody. About to leave, but a couple cars pull up and things start to assemble a little. Cards weren't dealt until 4:30pm, but it was worth it.

-Play is in the back gym/auditorium room; through the double doors past the Men's restroom.
-No smoking (was a huge plus for me)
-Tables were high quality with brand new chips. Chairs were your typical folding style with some cushioning.
-They have a large white board listing all the games (1/3, 2/5, 5/10, 1/3 PLO) so you can call in to reserve a seat.
-Overall the staff was very professional (except for the fact that they shorted me a $100. Fortunately I always count my chips).
-Drinks and Food are available. They even offered massages toward the end of the evening, which I thought was unique.

Now for the action. I consider myself a solid player who is able to hold his own, but by no means am I great player. That said, this was an extremely soft game with one or two tough players mixed in. Max buy-in for 1/3 was $500 so we were playing pretty deep. I bought in for $350 and cashed out for a little over $850 (for 5 hours of play). I wasn't really running THAT well, it just so happened that the competition was really light and would pay you off.

Apparently, Friday is the day to go as the game "starts" at 3pm and goes til about 9-10am Saturday morning. They had 5 tables going last Friday with several 2/5 tables. In fact, most of the players there tonight seemed eager for a 2/5 game. Not quite ready for that level yet myself. I heard that they are planning on having a tournament the first Friday of the month ($325+65), but don't hold me to it.

Overall, very professionally run game that I HIGHLY recommend.

If I forgot anything, let me know, otherwise I hope to be there Friday.

Very good to hear as that game is 10 minutes from me vs. the 35 min. drive to the NE side. Shame it doesn't run much more often.

Seems like the KoC set ups are similar. Wasn't able to make it this week because life got in the way, but next week it's a goal.

Thanks for the posts guys. I'll try and contribute to the reviews as well. I'm planning on going to the northside KoC this evening. Let's keep this thread going because Indy poker, overall, is lacking in my opinion

Curious - with the lack of legal games in the area, why hasn't Live attracted more players? Are e-tables really that big of deal? I come from an online background, so I prefer them over traditional dealers (no tipping and more hands per hour).

I'm not a fan of e-tables. Just isn't poker for me.

Sweet. I skipped that game today because I was busy, but I plan on going to the Legion game tomorrow. Going to skip the tourney if I can.

E-tables are just awful imo. I have no desire to drive to a casino to play video poker. Give me cards, chips, and dealers please.

When I go to a casino it's the Horseshoe in Cincy, which means I have to drive past the Grand. I regret nothing.

Not to derail the thread, but I've heard e-tables are a totally different beast psychologically speaking.

I've talked to players who played at Live!/The Grand and they say they run either really hot or into some sick beats.

More on point, I heard that there were multiple incidents at the northside KoC. Couple guys brought in 17k worth of counterfeit chips a couple months back. Several robbery attempts also as players were leaving/driving home. That 5/10 attracts the sharks, literally and figuratively.

Be careful out there.

Regarding the E-tables: Its definitely a different beast. Live strikes me as more of pure gambling establishment - people aren't there to be entertained. Like I said - playing online might give me an edge at Live. Players are pretty LOL bad - some of the worst I've played against. Probably some psychological aspects of players only seeing a dollar amount on their screen instead of physical markers (chips). Now, if only a 2/5 game would go off more regularly...

Regarding the KoC: I heard the same thing about the game not being safe and "teams" working together. I haven't played in the game yet, so I can't confirm any of that. I've heard the same talk about the KoC game on the Southside being "full of cheaters"...really don't know how to take that beyond simple table talk.

+1 to being careful and knowing your whereabouts at all times...especially when carrying large sums of money.

Not to sound condescending, but anytime someone says something like this, you can pretty easily write off their opinion. If they back it up with 10,000 hands of data maybe start listening, but most people just remember that "sick beat" they took and spout off about how e-tables/online poker/whatever is so rigged.

I have zero doubts that the stories are true in this case. The kid that told me about that game initially told me this story:

About two months ago, a drunk guy was being belligerent and ignoring dealers' requests to get off his phone and follow the action. Finally the police officer on duty told him he needed to leave but because he was drunk, should call a cab. The guy loudly announced that he wouldn't call a cab, and would instead walk the mile or so to his house. A guy from that game racked up, followed the guy down the street and robbed him of around 1k.

When he told me that story, my first thought was "Yeah, bad stuff happens when you announce you're walking home" but almost immediately after I thought "Wait, a guy left THAT GAME and robbed him". I followed up and they said the player hadn't been back since.

Still, scary stuff. I'm mostly uninterested in going up there on Mondays/Wednesdays now because I have other plans, but whenever I do go up, it will be with a friend.

Played in the Greenwood Legion tourney tonight. Got there at 6:30 assuming I'd miss the start but catch the cash game. As it turns out, the game starts at 7...d'oh.

Bought into the tourney and it is as it has been described. Shallow and quick. It's very soft though. Quick example:

Heads up with the CO. Doesn't matter what I have. Two spades on the flop. I check, he bets, I call expecting to bluff a spade. Turn brick, check check. River spade. I lead out for 2500 (pot is 3000) and the guy moves in over top of me. I fold and he shows...a straight??? Yeah, it's a soft game.

Played in the cash game after busting and doubled through the table loudmouth. It was immensely satisfying. He was the type that talked about every hand, regardless of whether or not he was in it, and made a huge show of giving people money to straddle if they were unwilling.

I had $210, he had me covered. Raised 67hh to $8 in MP,, one caller, he makes it $28. BB calls. As I look over to my left, the caller is already counting out the $20 and is a huge station in general, so I come along and he does too.

Flop A, K, 5. I lead for $30, assuming he's got AA, KK or AK and will jam. Station folds, Assbag makes it $70, BB folds, I move in, he calls. His AA doesn't improve, and he mumbles a bunch of stuff as he racks up his last $100. I told him I appreciated the passive-aggression almost as much as I appreciated the money, he did not seem pleased.

Still a great cash game, albeit one with a very low quality set up. Plan on going back Thurs with a buddy of mine.

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Do you go to Cincy often? I live East of Muncie but drive to Horseshoe Cincy often (at least 1 session/wk) Maybe we've ran into each other

Not terribly often. I'd say maybe twice a month. I enjoy it but 2 hours is something that takes a little planning. Driving from Muncie is what, 4-5 hours? Dayum.

Southside KoC or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Best Game in Town

Just got back from a shift at the southside KoC game, and yeah, it's the best of the bunch.

Set up is just like the northside KoC except the chips are less dirty and the dealers are nicer. When I got there there was a 1/3 game running, 2 2/5 games running and a 1/2/5 PLO game starting.

Games are softer down south it seems, but there's a ton of aggressive play from players waiting to join the 2/5 game. If you're running well, you can expect to get paid off on a lot of hands as well as see some very odd draws get there. Players were a reasonable mix of bad 1/3 players and bad/board 2/5 players. I only saw one player at my table who I would consider solid all night (Poor kid was card dead like mad).

So glad this is near my place, but sad it only runs on Fridays/Saturdays. The timing is as advertised. I got there at 9PM and the players said the game had been running since 3. They also mentioned that this was only the fifth week they've done this so there's definitely going to be some growth as word spreads.

I knew I should I have driven south instead of Shelbyville. Thanks for review Rich.

Anyone know of game options for Sunday?

Hey all, I moved this thread to the Regional Communities subforum because it's turning into that kind of thread (which is great). Good to see everyone sharing good info re local games. If you need any help with anything related to the forums or this thread in particular, please feel free to send me or Lattimer a PM.

Another solid night at KoC Southside. I can see this game growing to a solid 8 tables at peak hours on Friday in a couple more weeks.

No problem. It's fun for me if only because it's a unique experience.

It's funny you mention Shelbyville, a few players at my table were joking that this game would shut that room down since it only really runs on Friday and Saturday. I doubt that, but I do hope that the success of this game encourages them to run more days.



You were there last night? What times/what were you playing?

Played from 4-11, was wearing a Germany jersey. I was in the nosebleeds though. That 1/3 game is where its at.

Hahahah you had the Reus jersey on?

Was playing at the back table and commented on it as you walked from your table to the closed table where the PLO game opened.

Yeah, that would be me, probably as I was taking care of my dealer before I left.

I'll be there next week barring some unforeseen circumstances so I'll have to introduce myself in person. Taking the night off tonight.