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Old 10-19-2008, 10:56 PM   #176
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1) You're an idiot.

2) You don't think there could be other people in the pot to make it come out to 1000bb if myself and the other big stack get it all in?
if #1 is true, why would #2 ever be true?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:18 AM   #177
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if #1 is true, why would #2 ever be true?
LOL so owned. plus how do u ever come up with a 1000bb pot assumption w/out knowing howmuch villain had?
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:18 AM   #178
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Sorry if this has been covered, but are safety deposit boxes available for the week of the wsop circuit?
See a shift manager when you go in the room. They will be limited for the highest games being played.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:29 AM   #179
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Jeremy I need your input on this incidence.

I was involved in a pot and I wanted to know exactly how much in chips someone had who was involved in a hand with me. Since his chip stack was messy and uneven it was impossible to get an accurate visual count. I asked him to count it and he refused. Then I asked the dealer and they said that they couldn't count it. Then another player said I have the right to know an approximate amount. Given stack sizes it wouldve been a 1000bb pot if we both got it all in.

Is it my right to know exactly how much a player has left if I cannot determine it visually?
You DO have a right to know an approximate amount, and that is up to the player to look and visualize the count. This is why all larger chips by all players have to be visible.

A player involved in a hand must at all times make the chips visible. All they have to be is be stacked. They can be uneven if they want. The other player does NOT have to count his chips for you just make them visible. You can ask the dealer for a rough amount but they are just going to visualize the chips just like the player can. I don't like the dealer giving rough guesses though because what happens if they are off by a couple hundred or even more.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:44 AM   #180
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You DO have a right to know an approximate amount, and that is up to the player to look and visualize the count. This is why all larger chips by all players have to be visible.

A player involved in a hand must at all times make the chips visible. All they have to be is be stacked. They can be uneven if they want. The other player does NOT have to count his chips for you just make them visible. You can ask the dealer for a rough amount but they are just going to visualize the chips just like the player can. I don't like the dealer giving rough guesses though because what happens if they are off by a couple hundred or even more.
so, you have a right to see them but not have them counted. what about in tournaments? also are there any tournament rules we should be aware of that may vary from the MS for instance.
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:57 AM   #181
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You DO have a right to know an approximate amount, and that is up to the player to look and visualize the count. This is why all larger chips by all players have to be visible.

A player involved in a hand must at all times make the chips visible. All they have to be is be stacked. They can be uneven if they want. The other player does NOT have to count his chips for you just make them visible. You can ask the dealer for a rough amount but they are just going to visualize the chips just like the player can. I don't like the dealer giving rough guesses though because what happens if they are off by a couple hundred or even more.
this is dumb/wrong. You should always be able to have an exact count when a lot of money is at stake... There are so many different variables that can hinder your ability to properly count or approximate another players chip stack.

Also, out of curiousity, what if a player/dealer "approximates" a chip stack and they are off by a large amount due to big chips not being visiable/being hidden behind stacks/or just plain miscounting their stack? Do they not play?

Say some guy says he has "about" $300 left when in fact he has $300 more than his "approximation." So I then move allin for my $700 and he calls and wins. Do I now owe him the full $600 or only the $300 which he claimed to have?

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Old 10-20-2008, 09:12 AM   #182
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You DO have a right to know an approximate amount, and that is up to the player to look and visualize the count. This is why all larger chips by all players have to be visible.

A player involved in a hand must at all times make the chips visible. All they have to be is be stacked. They can be uneven if they want. The other player does NOT have to count his chips for you just make them visible. You can ask the dealer for a rough amount but they are just going to visualize the chips just like the player can. I don't like the dealer giving rough guesses though because what happens if they are off by a couple hundred or even more.
There is no way of knowing if all of his large denomination chips were visible. The dude was drunk and did not attempt to organize his stack. Also since his stacks were uneven, that made it difficult to determine how much he had.

Either way given the situation, it was possible that the count could be off by more than a couple hundred...

And I'm also interested to know if this rule applies to tourneys.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:08 PM   #183
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this is dumb/wrong. You should always be able to have an exact count when a lot of money is at stake... There are so many different variables that can hinder your ability to properly count or approximate another players chip stack.

Also, out of curiousity, what if a player/dealer "approximates" a chip stack and they are off by a large amount due to big chips not being visiable/being hidden behind stacks/or just plain miscounting their stack? Do they not play?

Say some guy says he has "about" $300 left when in fact he has $300 more than his "approximation." So I then move allin for my $700 and he calls and wins. Do I now owe him the full $600 or only the $300 which he claimed to have?
He is exactly right. I am glad to see they have it right as rooms in the midwest often get this wrong. You are entitled to see the chips. The dealer should not be commenting on how many chips he thinks are in a stack.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:07 PM   #184
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Re: Horseshoe Casino - Hammond, IN

be especially careful in tournaments when asking the count of someones chipstack...i had a had situation 3 years ago in cali, where i asked a guy how much he had left, he stated one number i jammed on him with nut str8 and flush drws because it was less than half my stack, but he actually ended up with significantly more (he had a dirty stack), floor/dealer no help and i was crippled...lesson learned...could have been an angle, but it is really my fault for not getting a true number.
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:08 PM   #185
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Re: Horseshoe Casino - Hammond, IN

What if a player is visually impaired and incapable of seeing the chips at the other end of the table? Are they just SOL? There was a thread a couple months ago with a long debate on this subject, for those that are interested - maybe somebody can find and link it.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:16 PM   #186
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be especially careful in tournaments when asking the count of someones chipstack...i had a had situation 3 years ago in cali, where i asked a guy how much he had left, he stated one number i jammed on him with nut str8 and flush drws because it was less than half my stack, but he actually ended up with significantly more (he had a dirty stack), floor/dealer no help and i was crippled...lesson learned...could have been an angle, but it is really my fault for not getting a true number.
you had the nuts with a nut draw and are upset that he had more chips than you thought after he called you allin?

based on the last few posts the horseshoe must be really juicy...
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Old 10-21-2008, 02:15 AM   #187
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re-read my post nut str8 and nut flush drws...plural...bleh cya at the tables
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:58 AM   #188
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Have any 2+2er's won any of the main event seats that were being given out?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:01 AM   #189
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Anyone have an interest in playing event 1? Look in the tournament circuit section for info.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:56 AM   #190
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All poker players are nothing but a pain in the ass and a necessary evil to a casino.

If you have a specific complaint, take it up with management, please save these threads for constructive comments and quit re-hashing your self-centered gripes over-and-over again.
Don’t minimize the importance of poker players - According to the latest issue of Cardplayer Magazine “ If you step into just about any casino today, odds are that you’ll find a THRIVING poker room. There are now more than 370 poker rooms in the United States, housing more than 4,600 tables. In California alone, 1,700 tables spread games in more than 91 cardrooms and bring in $871 million in revenue in the state. In LV, just over 900tables, up form 484 in 2004, rake $168 million. And the number of tables around the world continues to grow rapidly.”

This present Hammond,Horseshoe thread has less than 200 posts but 7500 viewers. Some of these viewers are management and I believe management wants to have a well-run room. When management is on the floor of the casino they don't want to be bombarded with all these questions. The thread gives Management time to mull over the issues and decide for themselves whether they are frivoulous complaints or not. FYI some of the earlier issues have been resolved already.


[QUOTE=MrStealth;6678299]Hey Mr. Coconut -

The point you also proved once again is that you have an over blown self image of yours and other poker players importance to the casino. Is the room perfect ? No, of course not - it has only been open about 2 to 3 months and Jeremy has done an amazing job in the short time the room has been in operation -in addition, he has a huge tournament about to start - perhaps you should find a different poker room and let Jeremy and his staff have a chance to settle in and do their jobs rather than piss and moan about how unfairly you feel you are being treated and let those of us who are happy with the room use these forums for constructive purposes as the forum is designed.

The above is another of your quotes Mr. Stealth!

Jeremy is very much appreciated for his honest replies and his role as a shift manager is comendable and yes, we do know he has to answer to Harrah's upper management.

Go ahead with all your constructive comments on this site Mr. Stealth. Many of us would like to hear them, since we haven't heard any yet
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Old 10-21-2008, 05:28 PM   #191
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Are there really no $1/2 nl grinders interested in taking a 1/2 buy-in shot for $60k 1st place in event 1?
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:41 PM   #192
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i might get into event 5 and satellite the main event.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:37 PM   #193
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Are there really no $1/2 nl grinders interested in taking a 1/2 buy-in shot for $60k 1st place in event 1?
it really depends on how the rest of the week goes. I will def. be trying to satellite into the main event though.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:11 PM   #194
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Are there really no $1/2 nl grinders interested in taking a 1/2 buy-in shot for $60k 1st place in event 1?
I will be playing in Event 1
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:30 PM   #195
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Re: Horseshoe Casino - Hammond, IN

Whats fist place going to be in the 5k if its over 300k I'll play in it for sure
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:32 AM   #196
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Whats fist place going to be in the 5k if its over 300k I'll play in it for sure
If the turnout that is expected shows up for the main event first place should be at least 300K.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:20 AM   #197
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Its on Halloween though right?? ughhhh

edit: I don't really give a **** but obligations etc.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:58 PM   #198
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Event #1

I'm considering playing even #1 and have a few Q's - I haven't played in live tourney before, so your help would be appreciated.

Any clue how many are estimated to join this field, and approximatly how the total tourney would take. I have reviewed the structure can don't have a good idea how to estimate.

How early will I have to arrive to register? I plan to work for a few hours in the AM, then drive up. Basically if I arrive at 11:30 will I be able to get in?


How does the payout structure work - of course this depends on entrance, but is I would think the general %'s would be documented somewhere. Also what's the juice % on the buy in?


Thanks in advance...
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I'm considering playing even #1 and have a few Q's - I haven't played in live tourney before, so your help would be appreciated.

Any clue how many are estimated to join this field, and approximatly how the total tourney would take. I have reviewed the structure can don't have a good idea how to estimate.
i thought it said they will play the final table on saturday. does any one know if they will play the final 27-45 on saturday? if it sells out there will be 4.8million chips in play. assuming it stays on schedule the blinds will be 8k/16k at 4:30am. lol am interested in hearing how they plan on splitting the 2 days. i would assume this is a very long tournament.

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How early will I have to arrive to register? I plan to work for a few hours in the AM, then drive up. Basically if I arrive at 11:30 will I be able to get in?
be safe and register thursday night. pretty sure they are anticipating a sell out. 11:30 you will either be S.O.L or at the end of a very long last minute line. also you have to have a player card to register. not sure if you have one but that will delay you another 5-10min if you don't get this done in advance.


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How does the payout structure work - of course this depends on entrance, but is I would think the general %'s would be documented somewhere. Also what's the juice % on the buy in?
The full payout structure for the selected tournament is currently unavailable.
$300+$45 is 15% juice.
Thanks in advance...
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:22 PM   #200
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Its on Halloween though right?? ughhhh

edit: I don't really give a **** but obligations etc.
Oh forget it then lmao
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