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Old 10-18-2008, 03:15 PM   #151
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Re: Horseshoe Casino - Hammond, IN

The comps earned in the poker room do not count towards your "tier" point status necessary to earn platinum, diamond, or seven stars levels. They are only comp dollars that can be used for meals, etc.

To earn diamond you need at least 11,000 tier points - that equates to $55,000 in slot action, or $110,000 in video poker action - table games are rated on each game x minimum bet per hand x hours played x secret harrahs multiplier.

Seven stars requires a minimum of $500,000 slot action, $1,000,000 video poker.

You can now earn tier points in other ways as well - check the total rewards website for complete details.
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Old 10-18-2008, 05:12 PM   #152
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Old 10-18-2008, 06:23 PM   #153
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I am generally a limit holdem player and would like to make a trip to the new 'shoe to see for myself if chicagoland finally has a cardroom worth playing in. My game preference is the largest limit holdem possible. I think I saw a post saying that 100-200 was spread at some point. Was this an abnormal occurence? Has the game been extremely shorthanded? Did/does it run for a couple hours or all day? What days are most likely to have this game? Have you ever been able to spread any limit holdem larger than this? Also, do you anticipate that the WSOP-C will increase action in the room, or will most players be local?

I appreciate all responses as I would love to have a place under 1000 miles away where I can play a little live poker!

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Old 10-18-2008, 06:41 PM   #154
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Looks like it may be time to start a new Hammond Thread as it looks like this one is getting ruined by the same people who ruined the other threads with their constant complaining.

Low Limit Poker Players are not the "heart" of this room - they are no less or no more important than the high limit players in any poker room - as the rake is usually capped at both levels. All poker players are nothing but a pain in the ass and a necessary evil to a casino.

If you think differently, look at the economics - Let say they deal 25 hands an hour x $5 per hand = $125/hour in income. Out of that they have to pay a dealer, floor staff, front desk staff, etc. Divided by 9 players that means you are contributing about $14 per hour in income - subtract the direct comp dollars, then the overhead and lucky if the casino makes $5 per player per hour.

Compare that to any other gambler outside the poker room and the overhead to income ratio is dwarfed - even by penny slot players. It's no wonder poker rooms in vegas are being closed, people are being fired/laid off and the trend will continue as the casino companies are looking to reduce staff/overhead.

Now, look at the Seven Stars Gambler - minimum $500,000 coin in per year - $1,000,000 coin in if they are a video poker player - many of these people are gambling more per hour than you will contribute to harrah's bottom line in 1 year - 1 of their average bets is more than you contribute per day (even if you play 24 hours per day)!. For that they receive special treatment and rightfully so. Complain if you want but all it does is show how overblown your self image is.

If you have a specific complaint, take it up with management, please save these threads for constructive comments and quit re-hashing your self-centered gripes over-and-over again.
You've all heard what MrStealth said kids: No more complaining! If you can't post a doting, fawining, adoring comment on every aspect of the casino, then don't post at all, or we will have to start a new thread. Good idea sir, and welcome to La-La Land.

"All poker players are a necessary pain in the ass and a necessary evil to a casino." This is just so much rubbish. It hilariously assumes that poker players confine their action to the poker room. God forbid, Mr Stealth, that those of us who lack your wisdom might wander out to the rest of the casino to take a shot on other games offered there. Take the worst of it? Why, we MUST be idiots!

Maybe MrStealth should ask casino management if they consider those poker players who also gamble outside the poker room, a "pain in the ass." A lot of poker players bring their non-poker-playing spouses and friends to the casino with them. Where do you think these people are, MrStealth, while the poker player is in the poker room? I'll help you out with this one: They are in the casino blowing money on slots and table games. Do you think management considers the poker player who brought them there, a "necessary evil?"

I'm not sure any of us need MrStealth to tell us that high rollers contribute more to the casino than low rollers, or that the poker room, IN ITSELF, is the least profitable gambling area of any casino, but it goes a little further than that. Ever notice that almost every casino you've ever been in, has the race and sports books located right next to the poker room? Do you think it's because sports bettors wander in and out of the poker room to play a hand or two?

Nice try in attempting to demeanor poker players, MrStealth, but your reasoning is full of holes, and naive. Maybe we should start a new thread every time someone trys to make us poker players sound inconsequential. Now there's an idea!
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Old 10-18-2008, 07:27 PM   #155
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hey alll, im looking to playh some 1-2, gonna leave my house in NW IN in abour an hour, pm me if you wnna have fun. im looking forward to meeting some 3p3ers!!!
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Old 10-18-2008, 11:44 PM   #156
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Hey Mr. Coconut -

If as you say poker players are so important - Why then has Planet Hollywood, Excaliber and Paris closed their poker rooms ? Why has the hard rock just laid off their poker room manager ? Why are many other rooms in vegas rumored to be facing layoff's and possible closure ? Have any of these casino's closed their sports books ?

The only intelligent thing I've ever heard you say that made any sense is the fact that the only reason most casino's have poker rooms is due to the fact that many poker players are also degenerate gamblers that will blow money in the pit, sports book, and/or the fact that spouses can & do contribute to the other games.

The point you also proved once again is that you have an over blown self image of yours and other poker players importance to the casino. Is the room perfect ? No, of course not - it has only been open about 2 to 3 months and Jeremy has done an amazing job in the short time the room has been in operation -in addition, he has a huge tournament about to start - perhaps you should find a different poker room and let Jeremy and his staff have a chance to settle in and do their jobs rather than piss and moan about how unfairly you feel you are being treated and let those of us who are happy with the room use these forums for constructive purposes as the forum is designed.

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Old 10-19-2008, 01:30 AM   #157
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Re: "WIN A SEAT", TEN HANDED GAME EXCEPTION !!!

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No, and I am 100% sure he picked up his chips from the original game he was in because the supervisor called me and asked if he had to pick up his chips and I told him yes.
I'm glad to see that you weighed in on this "board controversy", Jeremy. It seems to me that if you're going to allow this obvious and anger-inducing adjusting of the rules (and that's a very polite way to say it, regardless of what is or is not posted in plain site about the various benefits or special rules regarding high rollers), you should just cut it off at the pass and say that even though the non-promo-drop games are not contributing to the promo pool, that they are eligible for all benefits and drawings. Seeing a guy with a rack of blacks come down to sit at my 3/6 limit table in a newly pulled up seat for 5 minutes around a drawing time would set me off like no suckout ever could.

If they get such great benefits already, couldn't they use some accumulated credits and get bought into the tournament by Harrah's?

As for the poster who stated that the odds are changed by .0001%, imagine if you were at the table that got chosen, and your chances just went from 1 in 9 to 1 in 10. That's a pretty big shift, at least for those of use used to looking at EV edges.
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Old 10-19-2008, 03:10 AM   #158
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Hey Mr. Coconut -

If as you say poker players are so important - Why then has Planet Hollywood, Excaliber and Paris closed their poker rooms ? Why has the hard rock just laid off their poker room manager ? Why are many other rooms in vegas rumored to be facing layoff's and possible closure ? Have any of these casino's closed their sports books ?

The only intelligent thing I've ever heard you say that made any sense is the fact that the only reason most casino's have poker rooms is due to the fact that many poker players are also degenerate gamblers that will blow money in the pit, sports book, and/or the fact that spouses can & do contribute to the other games.

The point you also proved once again is that you have an over blown self image of yours and other poker players importance to the casino. Is the room perfect ? No, of course not - it has only been open about 2 to 3 months and Jeremy has done an amazing job in the short time the room has been in operation -in addition, he has a huge tournament about to start - perhaps you should find a different poker room and let Jeremy and his staff have a chance to settle in and do their jobs rather than piss and moan about how unfairly you feel you are being treated and let those of us who are happy with the room use these forums for constructive purposes as the forum is designed.
I have no idea what or why the Vegas poker rooms are doing, not do I care one whit. If I must guess at it though, I would say the state of the economy has a lot to do with it, and it might be that the popularity of no-limit itself, might be blowing a lot of losing players right out of the action. Bad players are much more likely to lose their bankrolls faster at no-limit than limit, and I'm sure you would agree with that.

I don't have a lot of gripes with the Shoe, I think Jeremy and his staff do the best they can, and I don't necessarily agree with you when you say the tournament will be "huge." I'm not so sure it will be, for two reasons - no hotel, and no satellites until the day the tournament begins.

All I said was that I don't think it's fair that higher limit players who have contributed nothing to the promotion money, should be able to sit down at a lower-limit table a few minutes before the drawing and have a chance to win a seat that the lower-limit players have helped pay for, and I stand by that opinion.

It seems to me that you are the one who is doing more moaning than anyone else I've read, and I think you are assuming a lot with the "overblown self-image" bulls..t. Don't "assume" too much, MrStealth; you're not very good at it.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:19 AM   #159
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Re: Horseshoe Casino - Hammond, IN

Nothing can be adjusted for this current promo.

One way we can get around this for future promo seat drawings is the players in the game must be seated at the table for, example 30-60 minutes.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:28 AM   #160
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You should just cut it off at the pass and say that even though the non-promo-drop games are not contributing to the promo pool, that they are eligible for all benefits and drawings.
Uhhhh I think this would be even worse. This would enrage 230 players on the main floor instead of 9 others at a table that has a seven stars player that just sat down..

Now your chances are much worse because you just added 9-11 other tables in on the drawing.

Allowing a 7 stars player to make the game ten handed is a Horseshoe policy. The above suggestion I mentioned if we ever have another promo seat drawing seems like it would work the best. A seven stars player would still be able to make the game ten handed but not be eligible for the drawing unless they had been playing at the table for the set amount of time. The time thing would apply to everyone though not just 7 stars players.

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Old 10-19-2008, 08:52 AM   #161
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Uhhhh I think this would be even worse. This would enrage 230 players on the main floor instead of 9 others at a table that has a seven stars player that just sat down..

Now your chances are much worse because you just added 9-11 other tables in on the drawing.

Allowing a 7 stars player to make the game ten handed is a Horseshoe policy. The above suggestion I mentioned if we ever have another promo seat drawing seems like it would work the best. A seven stars player would still be able to make the game ten handed but not be eligible for the drawing unless they had been playing at the table for the set amount of time. The time thing would apply to everyone though not just 7 stars players.
I wouldn't adjust my policy regarding 7-star players just to please a few posters here on 2+2. I think the 30 minute rule will open you up to a lot more problems and controversy than the occasional 7-star sitting in LL game.

Anyone that understands the business in the least, understands that high rollers get better treatment. Anyone that doesn't understand will figure it out eventually and anyone that refuses to understand, you aren't going to be able make them happy regardless of your efforts.

Some of your players are going to figure out a way to be angry no matter what you do, so I would suggest thaat you save your energy for bigger issues.
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Old 10-19-2008, 01:11 PM   #162
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Yeah, if a 30 minute rule was implemeted...

Say someone gets to the casino at 7:30pm on a weekend night hoping to get into a game for the drawing. They arrive at the poker room, only to find that the game they were hoping to play, let's say 1/2 NLHE, has a 60+ person waitlist. They wait, and wait, and wait and finally get seated at 8:45pm. When the drawing rolls around at 9, they are told they are not eligible because they have only been at the table for 15 minutes...

That would cause an uproar.


Jut forget all of these people who are bashing Harrah's policy for their high roller players. If someone is giving that much action at a casino, there should be no problem if a 10th chair is pulled to the table. If you don't like the way this runs, you really need to think about the way this industry works...

How come 'honored' guests of some casinos get full room, board, and food benefits when they visit? Shouldn't everyone be equal? Not from the casino's perspective...
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Old 10-19-2008, 01:45 PM   #163
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I wouldn't adjust my policy regarding 7-star players just to please a few posters here on 2+2. I think the 30 minute rule will open you up to a lot more problems and controversy than the occasional 7-star sitting in LL game.

Anyone that understands the business in the least, understands that high rollers get better treatment. Anyone that doesn't understand will figure it out eventually and anyone that refuses to understand, you aren't going to be able make them happy regardless of your efforts.

Some of your players are going to figure out a way to be angry no matter what you do, so I would suggest thaat you save your energy for bigger issues.
Those "few posters here on 2+2" represent a whole lot of lower-limit players who don't like this situation, but don't post on this blog, or even know it exists. Explaining policy to the disgruntled players is the right thing to do, and RaiseIt is a healthy young man who should have plenty of "energy" to spare.

I don't like this situation either, but I understand why high rollers get preferrential treatment; they are, after all, the biggest fish in the pond.

Another point not mentioned is this: Before we complain too loudly on this issue, we should admit the we poker players (at least, the good ones), are guilty of the same thing. If we coddle, pamper, and humor the biggest fish at our own tables on a daily basis, why shouldn't it follow that management would too?
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Old 10-19-2008, 04:37 PM   #164
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I am generally a limit holdem player and would like to make a trip to the new 'shoe to see for myself if chicagoland finally has a cardroom worth playing in. My game preference is the largest limit holdem possible. I think I saw a post saying that 100-200 was spread at some point.

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The largest limit game is $40-80 as far as I know. The $100-200 game was no limit.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:10 PM   #165
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Those "few posters here on 2+2" represent a whole lot of lower-limit players who don't like this situation, but don't post on this blog, or even know it exists. Explaining policy to the disgruntled players is the right thing to do, and RaiseIt is a healthy young man who should have plenty of "energy" to spare.

I doubt that you speak for as many poker players as you think.

He already explained the policy and other posters have explained also, no matter how much energy you think he should have, endlessly repeating himself to people that aren't listening is a complete waste his time and energy.

Running a poker room isn't easy and getting a start up running is even worse.

I know there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that you will, but you need to buy/borrow/steal Mason Malmuth's Poker Essays and read the essay about what the regular players owe the cardroom and what the cardroom owes the regular players.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:27 PM   #166
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Sorry if this has been covered, but are safety deposit boxes available for the week of the wsop circuit?
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:19 PM   #167
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Uhhhh I think this would be even worse. This would enrage 230 players on the main floor instead of 9 others at a table that has a seven stars player that just sat down..

Now your chances are much worse because you just added 9-11 other tables in on the drawing.
Actually you're right, that would be a better policy to implement. It might require more attention from dealers and floorpeople than maybe is realistic for there to be absolutely no controversy though.
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Old 10-19-2008, 09:16 PM   #168
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Are people still arguing about the main event seat promo incident? The staff modified their procedure to make it highly improbable for a seven star player to join the table selected and play a hand in order to be considered for the drawing.
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Old 10-19-2008, 09:39 PM   #169
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would go out of my way to play some 1-2PLO, will probably never play 2/5
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:09 PM   #170
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Do diamond card holders have any extra "perks"?
If you don't have a "diamond card", you can't have bottled water with your meal, in Hammond, Horseshoe buffet. Without a "diamond card", you can't sit near the window section of the buffet, with the view of the lake. If you are really hungry, be prepared to have a "seating hostess", leave you standing, while a "diamond card" holder is seated before you. Of course, that is after you have stood behind a "diamond card" holder, to pay for your meal. Of course, there are "diamond card" lines at all the cashier and promotion counters. Harrah's has gotten really absurd.

But, what is really funny, is all those "diamond cards" left scattered on the floor, and all over, in the vicinity of slots, on early Saturday and Sunday mornings. You see dozens of them strewn throughout the place. That is every weekend. Those cards aren't "lost".
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:21 PM   #171
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on my second visit to the horseshoe i received a comp buffet (with bottled water) for about 10.5 hours of play.

i don't have a special card.

go figure.............
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:23 PM   #172
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I have no idea what or why the Vegas poker rooms are doing, not do I care one whit. If I must guess at it though, I would say the state of the economy has a lot to do with it, .................snipped...........
This may be of some help:

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/blogs...16/SOS-Harrahs

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Old 10-19-2008, 10:27 PM   #173
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Jeremy I need your input on this incidence.

I was involved in a pot and I wanted to know exactly how much in chips someone had who was involved in a hand with me. Since his chip stack was messy and uneven it was impossible to get an accurate visual count. I asked him to count it and he refused. Then I asked the dealer and they said that they couldn't count it. Then another player said I have the right to know an approximate amount. Given stack sizes it wouldve been a 1000bb pot if we both got it all in.

Is it my right to know exactly how much a player has left if I cannot determine it visually?
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:33 PM   #174
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Given stack sizes it wouldve been a 1000bb pot if we both got it all in.
he had roughly 500bb.
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Old 10-19-2008, 10:46 PM   #175
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he had roughly 500bb.
1) removed

2) You don't think there could be other people in the pot to make it come out to 1000bb if myself and the other big stack get it all in?

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