I understand there are privileges for people spending money at the casino but never have heard of anything happening in a poker room like the high-roller’s intrusion for the promo.

So, I guess he can smoke in the poker room, tear up cards if he doesn’t win, swear and insult anyone he wants to, wear a bathing suit in the room or nothings at all, etc… do whatever he pleases because he has a platinum card.(or whatever that card is). He can break the rules!

Yoolykeme says he is a nice guy! A nice guy wouldn’t think of intruding in the way he did. I’m a nice guy and I would never do what he did nor request to do it. He did not contribute any money to that promo. He played in the high-roller area. I think anyone else who played up there might have lowered themselves to play low-limit but at least were more discreet about it and joined the games earlier. Anyone with real money has more class than that guy. If he has so much money, he should buy his own damn seat.

There were people on the list waiting to play and they would have liked to had a chance to get some of their promo money back.

The lower limit players are the heart of that poker room!

Now you're just making things up. No one said that he could violate and make up his own rules (tear cards, smoke, etc...)

Hypothetical situation: I'm on the list for a promo-eligible game, and I get seated 3 hands before the drawing. I played the last hand, and therefore eligible for the drawing. Are you saying that since I just got there 5 mins ago that I should not be eligible? Do people that have been playing on that table for 5 hours have precedence over people that have been playing for 1 hour?

the HL player did play some hands and rake was taken from those hands. Yes, his contribution to the rake was probably far less then everyone else at the table, but that is NOT the issue here. The question is that of his eligibility.

You need to understand that he did not break any rules. He has the option to fit as the 10th player in ANY game, REGARDLESS of when it is - in the casino's eyes, there's no difference if there is an upcoming promo drawing, or not. There can be 100 people on the HSNL list, and the person that is next could have been waiting for 10 hours, but if he shows up right before I get called to the seat, he gets it. Plain and simple. You need to get it out of your head that there is some special circumstance that the promo overrrides, and understand that the rules for that level of player are different.

For all you know, regardless of what you assume, one could say that he really did want to play that game, and after 5 minutes decided not to. Now, that's probably not the case, but speculation and feelings don't trump the rules.

I play jackpot drop games too, when waiting for a bigger game. I contribute to whatever promo is out there too, but that does not entitle me to anything, other than the official contest, should I be eligible when it comes around.

Is what he did ethical? Borderline. Did he really change anything. Marginal. There were probably ~150 players that were eligible for the promo. He changes the %tage by something like .0001. He didn't take someone else's available seat. he didn't kick anyone out of qualifying. He just got an extra entry, all within the rules.

In both of yoolykeme's posts he is dead on! I thank you for posting the response so I did not have to type all that...

A seven stars guests at any time can go to the top of the list or make ANY game ten handed when ever they want. When they leave the game, or someone else leaves before they do, the tenth chair is then pulled out. Most of the 3-6 players have not encountered a seven stars player "being made room for at their table". So it probably came as a surprise when it happened. It just happened to come at the time of the promo. Was it ethically right for him to do it? I can see your arguement. Would you do it if you could? It is hard to answer honestly if most would do it if they could because most reading here do not have a seven stars card. If you answer no, I think you would think twice when the opportunity presents itself and you would reconsider.

HSCSI has a sign on the podium that cleary states this policy.

It would be just like me getting really mad when the Ohio floods. I can get mad as hell but the Ohio is going to flood anyway. The world and I both would be better off if I directed my energy toward something I could change.

FYI. It is considered good form to put the quote at the top and your reply at the bottom. It makes it easier for others to understand which post you are quoting.

Thank you. I had no idea what he was talking about.

Anyone interested in playing some low limit 5-10 HOSE tonight? Or maybe some 1-2 PLO?

I've traditionally always quoted above the post, on any internet forum. It's just something that I do.

I can't say what I would really like to say because it would earn me a temp ban.

How does that go?.....better to focus your energy and emotion on something you can change....or something to that effect?

Suprisingly enough, every once in a while, a noobie comes through that actually wants to learn and to become a contributing member of our community but many are just Trolls in Training that already know everything there is to know.

We get at least one brand new genius joining everyday and when you disappear there will be another in line to that thinks he is smarter than everyone else to take your place.

Yes, it is stupid but I still give newbies the benefit of a doubt until they convince me they aren't worth the effort.

Jeremy

Can a 7 star guest play in more than one game at a time too?

I originally thought no I would not impose like he so blatantly did. However, if I had spent $350K(in 6 months time) to get that card I would also be a member of gambler's anonymous so I'd probably do what he did because I couldn't help myself.

I am a newbie, and on behalf of myself and all future newbies who might read this, I hope we can convince you of our worthiness, master (there can be nothing more important to me, personally). And if I might be so bold, what are Trolls and Trolling?

No matter if it's a big deal or not, making a ten-handed game to give a high-tier player a shot at the tournament seat, is bogus. It sends a message to the lower-limit players that they are not all that important, when of course the opposite is true. The last time I looked, poker was a multiple-player game, and I would like to see the poker room try to collect rake from just one high-tier player sitting at a poker table.

Management though, is in a bit of a spot here. Everyone knows that the bigger the sucker, the more privileges he gets, and it’s hard to argue against that; you got a tuna donating wads of money to your establishment, you want to keep him happy.

The real problem for Chicagoans, however, is the same one we’ve had always had, and that is lack of choices. We don’t benefit from casino competition, ala Las Vegas, because there is so little of it. We finally get a major-league poker room in the area, and what happens? It annihilates the neighboring competition overnight, so if we have any grievances whatsoever with the Horseshoe, what are we going to do about it? Go elsewhere? If you want to play anything but 1-2 no-limit, THERE IS NO ELSEWHERE!

The utter stupidity of the Illinois legislators is the only reason the Northern Indiana casinos even exist. I don't mind that they exist, I just mind that I have to travel there. The day that Illinois government emerges from the caves, and constructs a modern-day casino west of the skyway, will be the same day that the Northern Indiana casinos become instant ghost towns. I'll miss the Shoe when that day comes, but I won't miss the drive.

No, and I am 100% sure he picked up his chips from the original game he was in because the supervisor called me and asked if he had to pick up his chips and I told him yes.

1. Starting a gimmick account isn't one of them
2.
THE MAJOR BREEDS

The Vulgar Troll. These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species. Often, they make racist comments, or they may post porn and other spam. Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane, off-topic observations. When you log into the Really Profound Serious Philosophical Discussions board and see the post, "I smell my farts," you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert to this form when cornered.

The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll. More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they turn:

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 2: Create another account, and log on pretending to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 4: When nothing else works, claim that now, finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before. Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the forumites.

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– Classic Troll Tactic Number 7: The insincere apology. Similar to Tactic 4, this involves pretending to repent for one's trolling and is accompanied often by great melodrama. Insincere troll apologists hope that they'll be forgiven if only they act disgusted enough with their own behavior.

This is an exccerpt from Phil's Field Guide to Trolls by Phil Elmore
http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/f...detotrolls.htm

I'm satisified with the solution the floor staff came up to prevent a tier four status player from joining a promo table to get entered into the drawing. No new hands will be played between when the table is announced and when the drawing actually happens.

And the 2/5 plo game last night was nucking futs! There were several stacks $4-5000 deep and multpile pots $2k+. If this keeps up then I don't see a 1/2 plo game ever opening up which is good imo. I don't want to risk losing the juicy 2/5 plo game.

][I]At THRE MINUTES BEFORE the three p.m. "drawing" today, floor person Patrick, pushes up a tenth chair to my table, for what he said was a "Four tier" player, three minutes before the "drawing". Player posted, played one hand, then quit after the drawing.
( That managerial display of arrogance was so blantant, there is a good chance, the "Four tier" player was actively involved in another game, in the high limit section....would love to see the tapes on that issue.)


I took a trip up to Hammond from KY and I was there at that table when this whole situation happened. I must admit I don't think I've ever seen a table steam like that one did. Since I was the real guest at the casino I just kind of sat back and watched. I thought the guy took the whole situation pretty good but one guy at the table almost go walked out because the dealer was upset that he was still talking about the situation. The FUNNY thing is that they called our table at the 9pm drawing and the girl in the one seat won the promotion. I can only imagine what could've happened if the guy was there during that time.

FYI, my purpose on this board is not to seek to justify your acceptance. My relative youth on this forum, in no way, de-justifies what I say, let alone where I choose to place my answers to quoted text.

Moving forward...

Thank you for responding; I gotta take a nap now.

I couldn't have said it any better myself, coconuts. Low limit players are the heart of that room!

I also agree that management is in a precarious situation, but do think they should draw the line. As an example - Scotty Nyguen(spelling?) he has money now, plays in tourneys, he is a star. His performance on TV was abolutely disgusting this year. He was nasty to a young man and it was tolerated because it made a story for the TV cameras. A lesser known player would have had a penalty. This is also not poker as I know it or knew it.

BTW maybe wewill have an elsewhere at Hawthorne race track. They have put in a bid to transform the track into a casino and yes, with a poker room. Mike Ditka is involved. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Do diamond card holders have any extra "perks"?

when will it become possible to become a diamond card holder stictly from playing poker? Surely we pay more ithan enough n tournament fees and rake to justify this

Looks like it may be time to start a new Hammond Thread as it looks like this one is getting ruined by the same people who ruined the other threads with their constant complaining.

Low Limit Poker Players are not the "heart" of this room - they are no less or no more important than the high limit players in any poker room - as the rake is usually capped at both levels. All poker players are nothing but a pain in the ass and a necessary evil to a casino.

If you think differently, look at the economics - Let say they deal 25 hands an hour x $5 per hand = $125/hour in income. Out of that they have to pay a dealer, floor staff, front desk staff, etc. Divided by 9 players that means you are contributing about $14 per hour in income - subtract the direct comp dollars, then the overhead and lucky if the casino makes $5 per player per hour.

Compare that to any other gambler outside the poker room and the overhead to income ratio is dwarfed - even by penny slot players. It's no wonder poker rooms in vegas are being closed, people are being fired/laid off and the trend will continue as the casino companies are looking to reduce staff/overhead.

Now, look at the Seven Stars Gambler - minimum $500,000 coin in per year - $1,000,000 coin in if they are a video poker player - many of these people are gambling more per hour than you will contribute to harrah's bottom line in 1 year - 1 of their average bets is more than you contribute per day (even if you play 24 hours per day)!. For that they receive special treatment and rightfully so. Complain if you want but all it does is show how overblown your self image is.

If you have a specific complaint, take it up with management, please save these threads for constructive comments and quit re-hashing your self-centered gripes over-and-over again.

Valet, VIP seating at the buffet, promotions, cash back, and quite a few other offers that other players do not get (I'm sure the Total Rewards desk has the details)

Priority seating in poker is not one of them though.