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02-20-2009 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinmbuck
I think your idea is good reddog. But why make the money come out of our promo $$. I think it would be profitable for the casino to issue 50 in chips for first time players with a coupon say from pokerplayer. I think the casino could pay for this without using the promo $$ though. Other casinos do this to get more players.

Hell, if the casino would do it with their own or other advertising money, that would be great. I was just thinking that we could push them along with a little promo cash.

Last edited by RedDog5140; 02-20-2009 at 05:10 PM.
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02-20-2009 , 06:40 PM
Yes, chatty table = looser game, on average.

It must be realized that there are a number of factors that contribute to a less than optimal game. This thread and its culprits are quick to blame it/everything on Shoe management and inadequacy, where the blame does not solely lie. All of wihch leads me to believe that the hecklers aren't anything more than that.

Then again, I play upstairs, so I guess that I get the "premium service." lol
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02-20-2009 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDog5140
I have played enough poker to know that I like inexperienced people at the table better than I like grinders. I imagine you are a rock who doesn't like much varience in your game (aren't all "old men"). I'll take the varience of competing against an erratic, poor player if my ev goes up. Hell, one rookie often loosens up the whole table.

And you must not know many gamblers. If they were smart enough to lock up their chips, they wouldn't be the casino's favorite customers.

So far I haven't heard any more criticism of the idea. . . not even much substanitive criticism from Coco. Anyone else like or hate this idea? I know it is hard to wrap your brain around giveaways for non-poker players, but if the casino is interested in giving them free stuff, it must be a worthwhile move.
well you are much more smarter then me and might be crazy but if you give me $50 I play with you with a $300 stack and I promis to play more hand then you. So if you like your Idea, you can be the 1st one to do it.
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02-20-2009 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDog5140
Grimmis doesn't like the idea of handing money to wild players who may leave with it.
As you can tell, I think it is genius.
I like it, I am the wild player and i promis not to leave, when would you like to start.

kevinmbuck, I like your idea but I bet you 1K-1 that this does not happen

Last edited by oldmangrimis; 02-20-2009 at 07:06 PM.
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02-20-2009 , 07:12 PM
Thank you guys for agreeing with me, I posted a couple days ago that the chit chatty dealers arent the problem, it is some of the inept ones that I have had an issue with here and there.

but like anything in life, there are always gonna be some that arent as good as others at what they do, dealers, poker players, postmen, cops, politicans, you name it there are gonna people who excel at what they do and others who dont.

as far as the commerce goes why are you guys all over their nuts??

i mean its fun and profitable place to play poker, but alot of other very nice places are too. who wants to basically play poker in a chinese resturant all day anyway?? thats almost what it comes down to.. its filthy and smells like stank and chinese food, who wants to play 10-12 hr sessions 5 days straight in a place like that when there are so many nicer poker rooms throughout our country..

dont get me wrong, its great action room (anyplace where the majority of players think top pair top kicker is the stone cold nuts you gotta love), but for those of you who havent been it is like a cross between a bus station and a chinese resturant where people play cards all day long.

if youve ever been to the other local shtholes like hollywood park or the bike it is basically the same except the action is way better, they have better food and a million games with tons of action.

for LA is the the only place to play.. point blank

however greatest casino in the world, country or even time zone it is not, it does not compare to places like the venetian, bellagio, borgata, foxwoods and i could go on and on..

maybe these places are too main stream for you but they have beautiful women and waitresses walking around at all times of day, just about every type of food available to you at all times of day, beautiful rooms to stay in if you arent local, spas you can go to to get a massage or relax for a little in the middle of the day, sports book and huge tvs everywhere, etc,etc.. i mean anyone who has been to any of these places can attest to the wide range of ameneties available to you 24hrs a day.

as far as action its great at commerce, as good as any of the above places, it may be a bigger room then most with a little more game selection but that is something i would gladly trade for the other ameneties i mentioned above..

i mean if you had to spend a week at any of the above casinos would you really want to spend it at a chinese bus-station where all you can eat is chinese food (the rest sucks too badly) and you are scared to inhale for fear that you may pass out if you have to take a piss?? god forbid you have to drop a duece...

its a great place to play, but I dont think I could handle being a reg there..
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02-21-2009 , 02:08 AM
Jeremy

Is there a way we could make the Hush Puppies at the Buffet available downstairs... Perhaps right next to the candy dish in the high limit area?
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02-21-2009 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RedDog5140;8902660 [QUOTE
Coco has picked on a few words I've used, my level of play, and some minutae in the dicussion, but in his heart, I think he likes the idea. As you can tell, I think it is genius.
"In my heart I like the idea?" Not to be impolite, RedDog, but I really don't have any opinion at all, regarding your idea. It's not going to happen anyway, and I don't see the necessity of it. Genius? If genius is in the eye of the beholder, I'd bet your eye is the only one seeing it quite that way.

The fewer fish you see in a poker room, the more likely it is that you're part of the school.
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02-21-2009 , 04:05 AM
Just my luck; I go to the Shoe to play a little poker, and miss the idiot parade that marched through town, drumming and bugling for more dealer chat.

Were there any elephants?

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02-21-2009 , 04:37 AM
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Chat at the table, whether between players or between players and dealers, helps the game. It loosens up the table, puts people in a good mood and encourages people to put their money in the middle and gamble.

The majority of players want chatter and interaction with dealers and other players at the table.

So Jeremy, please don't tell the dealers to stop talking to the players. It is good for the game.
This is one of those rare times in which I find no comment necessary. Some things speak for themselves, so I would ask you to read these comments carefully, and maybe even two or three times, if you have high pain-tolerance.

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02-21-2009 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmangrimis
well you are much more smarter then me and might be crazy but if you give me $50 I play with you with a $300 stack and I promis to play more hand then you. So if you like your Idea, you can be the 1st one to do it.
You are missing the point. The people I want in there are the slot and table game players that have never been in the poker room. The casino knows who they are.
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02-21-2009 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by coconuts
The fewer fish you see in a poker room, the more likely it is that you're part of the school.
Ha, judging by my session last night, you are probably right. Nothing wrong with more fish for us bottom feeders though, is there? It is good for everyone.

You are probably right about my idea never happening, but that doesn't stop a bunch of these "never happen" suggestions from being posted here.

As a side note, last night at my 1/2 table a kid bought in for $50 and proceeded to muck every hand. In the 8 hour session he maybe saw 4 flops, and only made it to 2 showdowns, once with AA, and once from the bb in a limped pot with a ragged flopped 2 pair. He was a low-stakes online sit-and-go player, who heard about the hours freeroll promotion, and was there just to bank hours. Don't ask me why he didn't think it was wise to at least buy in for more and play a bit. He seemed to understand the game well enough to hold his own in that group with a little more action, and maybe increase the amount he would win. The sick thing is that he got paid off on both showdowns, and was up about $40 when I left.

The point is, if that is what the current promotion is promoting, who is that good for?
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02-21-2009 , 11:57 AM
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As a side note, last night at my 1/2 table a kid bought in for $50 and proceeded to muck every hand. In the 8 hour session he maybe saw 4 flops, and only made it to 2 showdowns, once with AA, and once from the bb in a limped pot with a ragged flopped 2 pair. He was a low-stakes online sit-and-go player, who heard about the hours freeroll promotion, and was there just to bank hours. Don't ask me why he didn't think it was wise to at least buy in for more and play a bit. He seemed to understand the game well enough to hold his own in that group with a little more action, and maybe increase the amount he would win. The sick thing is that he got paid off on both showdowns, and was up about $40 when I left.
I never knew Sarge had a son.

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The point is, if that is what the current promotion is promoting, who is that good for?
Bums.
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02-21-2009 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDog5140
You are missing the point. The people I want in there are the slot and table game players that have never been in the poker room. The casino knows who they are.
Of course the casino knows who they are and they want to keep them at the slot and table games.

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The point is, if that is what the current promotion is promoting, who is that good for?
Answer: The poker room rake!
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02-21-2009 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDog5140
You are missing the point. The people I want in there are the slot and table game players that have never been in the poker room. The casino knows who they are.
No, No I'm a slot and table game players and only play in the poker room once. I just like posting on here and am waiting for the casino to give me money before I go back. So when can we start.
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02-21-2009 , 02:46 PM
Kevin,
Commerce is the best place to play poker in the world, hands down, no other room has a shot not even the venitian or the shoe.

As far as the "keep you own tokes" it will not weed out the bad ones cause most players are morons (why we win) and they are over sympathetic to the bad dealers or never even notice that the dealer sucks.

Besides we are talking about the getto... The worst paid/toked dealer still has a good job with benefits etc... It's the best job they have ever had. which is why they can be so BS procedure oriented and fear for losing their job instead of pumping out hands and letting people gamble
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02-21-2009 , 03:49 PM
I heard Commerce smells awful and the chips are totally nasty. I know many players that wont play there and many that say its the best so I guess I cant know. I say f the slot players they get too much. However a free 50 or 50 match bonus for first time players is not a bad idea to attract new players.

oldman was 1000 to 1 for a bet? Cause Ill take that action if you want. Ill bet1.
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02-21-2009 , 05:15 PM
[QUOTE=mitchman;8921448]Kevin,
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Commerce is the best place to play poker in the world, hands down, no other room has a shot not even the venitian or the shoe.
True. I often wonder if those complaining about some sort of stench at the C, are simply smelling their own underarms, and don't know it.


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Besides we are talking about the getto... The worst paid/toked dealer still has a good job with benefits etc... It's the best job they have ever had. which is why they can be so BS procedure oriented and fear for losing their job instead of pumping out hands and letting people gamble.
Quite possibly, the truest words ever spoken on this thread, with the only exception of course, being every one of mine.

Fine job, mitchman!

P.S. You might want to distinguish between the Kevins. Mbuck thought you were talking to him, but I know you were talking to J.

NOTHING escapes the keen eye of Inspector Coconuts!!

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02-21-2009 , 05:28 PM
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I heard Commerce smells awful and the chips are totally nasty. I know many players that wont play there
You are listening to crazy people who lost their balls there! Go and see for yourself, and this conversation will be long gone!
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I say *** the slot players
No need. The Shoe already takes care of that department every time they sit down.
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oldman was 1000 to 1 for a bet? Cause Ill take that action if you want. Ill bet1
Nobody around here is laying 1000-1 on jack sht, or even 3-1, for that matter. Give it up already!
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02-21-2009 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmangrimis
No, No I'm a slot and table game players and only play in the poker room once. I just like posting on here and am waiting for the casino to give me money before I go back. So when can we start.
Lets go to the diamond room, have the host there print up your history. If what you say is true, I'll play you and donate $50 toward your $300 against my $300 stack. We can play 1/2 nl heads up for an hour. At the end of the hour you can go with what you have left.
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02-21-2009 , 09:08 PM
Hey Hey. What's going on here?

I'm a fairly big table game player. Are you offering some type of value proposition to come play NLHE against you? I wanna play. me me me



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Originally Posted by RedDog5140
Lets go to the diamond room, have the host there print up your history. If what you say is true, I'll play you and donate $50 toward your $300 against my $300 stack. We can play 1/2 nl heads up for an hour. At the end of the hour you can go with what you have left.
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02-22-2009 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinmbuck
You are listening to crazy people who lost their balls there! Go and see for yourself, and this conversation will be long gone! !
if someone was traveling for vacation and/or poker why would they ever want to go to a chinese bus station where they play cards packed into a room between leftover trays of food when they are beautiful casinos block after block as far as the eye can see in las vegas..

sure the actions great at commerce but it is at the bellagio and venetian too, any player worth a damn should be able to be a winner at any of the above..

i am still trying to figure out why coconuts is all over the commerces nuts??

and by the way since you have implied it 2x already i have nothing against the commerce.. it just so happens i have had prob the worst session of my life there and also the greatest, so its pretty even as far as that goes so i harbor no ill will to the casino for something that is out of their hands.. my guess is you might have had the greatest session of your life there which is why you think it is greatest place to play poker ever...

just speaking the truth about the conditions there, i wish there were more people who have played there..

I cant imagine anyone who has played there and bellagio would ever choose willfully to fly to la and play there for a week as opposed to going to vegas and staying at bellagio for a week..
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02-22-2009 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by coconuts

if someone was traveling for vacation and/or poker why would they ever want to go to a chinese bus station where they play cards packed into a room between leftover trays of food when they are beautiful casinos block after block as far as the eye can see in las vegas..

sure the actions great at commerce but it is at the bellagio and venetian too, any player worth a damn should be able to be a winner at any of the above..

i am still trying to figure out why coconuts is all over the commerces nuts??

and by the way since you have implied it 2x already i have nothing against the commerce.. it just so happens i have had prob the worst session of my life there and also the greatest, so its pretty even as far as that goes so i harbor no ill will to the casino for something that is out of their hands.. my guess is you might have had the greatest session of your life there which is why you think it is greatest place to play poker ever...

just speaking the truth about the conditions there, i wish there were more people who have played there..

I cant imagine anyone who has played there and bellagio would ever choose willfully to fly to la and play there for a week as opposed to going to vegas and staying at bellagio for a week..
I don't judge a room by how I do there. I've had great stays at the Commerce, and other times in which I've lost my lungs, just like everyone else.

The problem with your posts is that you are NOT "speaking the truth." The conditions there are fine, there is no stench of chinese anything, the bathrooms are cleaner than the Shoes are, and the room itself is kept very clean, especially considering the massive amount of food that is eaten at the table, and which is available to high limit and low limit players alike.

California poker vs Bellagio?? Are you ****** kiddin me? Put the Commerce accross the street from Bellagio, and Bellagio is no more.

*** Bellagio! Cramped, no place for drinks other than right on the table, dealers that think their sht don't stink, and floor personel that would rather spit in your face than say "Hi, how ya doin." MOST OVER-RATED ****** POKER ROOM ON THE FACE ON THE EARTH.

I wish there were more people going to the Commerce too, so they can see how full of sht your comments are. Have a good one Willie.
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02-22-2009 , 08:16 AM
this is my first post on this site and I am going to have to agree with what coconuts says about the Bellagio

cramped. crowded....but I did win and thats all I care about

but I have to say if your a people watcher...man, more famous poker players hang around / play in that joint than anywhere in vegas

what I have to say about the horseshoe in hammond;
very, very comfortable poker room to play in
love the 9 seat tables
compared to the bathroom just outside the poker room by the sportsbook @ Bellagio....the horseshoe bathrooms are spotless

yeah, food choices are horrible at horseshoe but then I only live 45 min max drive away and I dont go on an empty stomach

not sure whats up with the weekend dinner buffet costing 32 bucks. thats bellagio prices and the shoe is in hammond indiana, not vegas
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02-22-2009 , 12:12 PM
I wonder how many comments about "horrible food choices" it's going to take, before management starts paying attention, and at least pretends to care. It only takes a minute or two to go to Harrah's website and complain to them directy. I've been there already, and if everyone who complains about the food here, complains about it there, who knows?

It doesn't cost a cent, and it can't hurt, so don't be lazy. We deserve better than the dog sht we have now.

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02-22-2009 , 12:21 PM
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compared to the bathroom just outside the poker room by the sportsbook @ Bellagio....the horseshoe bathrooms are spotless
These type comments always floor me. When I read them, I have to wonder if there are two Horseshoe casinos in Hammond IN.

It's either that, or I "run bad" in bathrooms, too.
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