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03-19-2012 , 09:07 PM
As long as you can replenish your 400 bucks that's really the only way to start a live roll.

Just an FYI, I've lost about 1k at 1/2 and I'm a solid winner at 2-5 and 5-10.

Lol
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03-19-2012 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
1/2 PLO is tough because I'm in it.

If you try to grind up a roll from $400 in 1/2 NL, I'd say your chances of success are 10-30% if you're a winning player. Compared to other 1/2 NL games in the country I'd say the Horseshoe is relatively tough, but you probably have an edge if you were beating NL25.
I just wonder if the 1-2 PLO game might suit me quite well, since I have done well in 2-60 spread-limit Omaha in the Minneapolis area.
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03-19-2012 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SycoMosh
how feasible would it be to bring 1-2 $200 buyins and nit it up hoping to try and start a roll from nothing? i figure 2 buyins max im done until i can afford another 2 buyins to try again.. anything i win will be put into a non-touchable bankroll.
That's basically what I did. I started from $1200 but really that's not much different. I played more days a week too, but I'm up a few k after 9 months even with 2 big downswings, a couple months where I didn't play and a couple of months of card dead. Live you can survive card dead and even eek out a small profit if you can stand the boredom. Card dead and run bad is the killer. I just go home when those days hit, but that's my thing.

Things to know about the HS.

1. Your cards are your betting line. If you get chips in front of your cards they are in the pot so be careful. I like to hold my cards in one hand out in front and use my other to cut out my bets behind my cards. Until you are comfortable handling your chips announce your action and your bet size. That will cut down on your betting tells too. I like to do the shaking hands thing just to screw with people, but the first time I played live I looked like I was having a seizure when I went to raise and that was 5/10 LHE. Until you feel good cutting out chips just announce your bets so you don't cost yourself any money.

2. Don't be afraid to look like a newb, the only people that will pay attention are the decent players and they will figure it out quick enough that you know how to play. The rest won't care if God himself is playing they are going to do what they want anyway. Ask the dealer if you aren't sure, I play quite a bit and still ask dealers if I'm unsure if a bet opens the action back up or just whatever I'm curious about.

3. Changing tables constantly is nitty. Any game should be beatable on the weekends, it's pretty rare you run into a guy attacking raises and making your life a living hell, so mostly you will be changing because you're card dead imo. What I'll do if I see a game I definitely want a piece of is go to the desk and let them know when a seat opens to put me in. Tip those guys a couple bucks for looking out for you.

4. Don't tap the glass! Don't let the beats get to you. They are going to come and with greater frequency than you are used to. Weird because you are playing less than half the hands per hour than you are used to, but it's true. Learn to let them go and be ready for the next hand. Go over the hand in your head, most likely there was nothing you could do about it, but don't berate the fish. A happy fish is not leaving. Tap the glass though and he's likely to swim away.

5. If someone is shortstacking, it's 90% they are going to be bad. The only time it's different is when they're a decent player who is getting crushed and for whatever reason isn't adding on. If someone buys in for less than $150 they are almost always really bad.

6. Get a players card. Get what comps you have coming as the points do add up over time. If you're lucky enough to be on a bad beat table or play in a tourney you'll need it anyhow.

7. If you have a smart phone get the Bravo Poker live app. It will give you an idea how busy the room is. Also I like the Session Logger app for Android. I-phone has something too but I don't know what it's called.

8. Live players love the call button, value, value, value! If you don't value pwn yourself you likely are doing something wrong.

9. There is a 2 missed BB rule. If you walk and miss your big blind twice you will get picked up if there is a list. If you are going to be gone for 15 minutes or so ask for the meal button. Also they only allow 1 person per table to be on a meal. If you need to eat make sure you get the meal button, then you have an hour.
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03-19-2012 , 10:50 PM
lol i dont mind bein a nit with 2 buyins - its not a long term thing im lookin to do - but when ur "roll" is so small, i think nitty = good so long as ur not afraid to get it in when ur like a 51/49 fav n know it

once i do build up though id like to be doin thurs/fri/sat/sun like 7pm to 7 am (long sessions dont bother me when all i do @ home these days is spend those hours playing street fighter online n feelin like a stay at home loser anyway) - even more if possible, but that could be a pain since i do still have to work and im lookin at havin to shuttle it out there.. first step is just building enough to allow more volume to spread past non-fish-fry hours/days

and tap the glass? pffft NEVER... i gotta say it amazes me anytime i lurk these b&m sections n hear about regs berating the fish.. getting pwnd by fish is inevitably
what lets US PWN THEM.. this is seriously one of the FIRST THINGS I LEARNED ON 2+2... smfh.. i always loved gettin chatty/friendly wit the talkative fishies online

there should be some sort of tap the glass tax honor code amongst regs imo... if ur busted u must do __________ or pay up to who busted u berating.. i dont kno how this even goes on..

n yet i hear people even discuss strategy n talk bout 2+2 live... some people must really hate money.. difference between semi-competent/recreational hybrids n people who take the game seriously / for a living maybe? i dont think ill ever get it

thanks so much for the advice/support guys, i was feelin a lil anxious about askin my noob questions here, but everything turned out better than expected
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03-20-2012 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
any thoughts on the 1/2 plo game here? soft? is the rake even beatable?
I've been playing the 1/2 plo game a decent amount the past month or so. Game is definitely beatable. There are a good players in the game, but I'd guess at any time half the table has a vpip >50%. The game is extremely slow though. 15-20 hands/hour I'd guess.

I heard yesterday that they will make it a $5 bring-in very soon. Not sure if they are raising the min/max buyin.
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03-20-2012 , 01:46 PM
live plo is super slow compared to NL. your going to get less hands/hr and im not sure if you will even win as much per hour depends on who is in the game and how deep stacks are.
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03-20-2012 , 03:22 PM
I've seen an occasional 50/100 (75/150) HORSE game being spread.

How often does this go and what days of the week are most likely.

Thanks
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03-20-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LoosenUp
I've seen an occasional 50/100 (75/150) HORSE game being spread.

How often does this go and what days of the week are most likely.

Thanks
I've never seen that go outside of the WSOP or CPC
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03-20-2012 , 04:07 PM
its going right now acvording to bravo...
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03-20-2012 , 04:31 PM
If you're interested in 50/100 HORSE but aren't willing to play the 40/80 HORSE that goes Wed/Fri, you probably need to loosen up your game selection standards.

Can definitely confirm that 1/2 PLO is slow. You'll get twice as many hands at 2/5 NL.
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03-20-2012 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
If you're interested in 50/100 HORSE but aren't willing to play the 40/80 HORSE that goes Wed/Fri, you probably need to loosen up your game selection standards.

Can definitely confirm that 1/2 PLO is slow. You'll get twice as many hands at 2/5 NL.
40/80 HORSE would be great is it a regular game?
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03-20-2012 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LoosenUp
40/80 HORSE would be great is it a regular game?
Yes every Wed and Friday
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03-20-2012 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by erroneous
I've been playing the 1/2 plo game a decent amount the past month or so. Game is definitely beatable. There are a good players in the game, but I'd guess at any time half the table has a vpip >50%. The game is extremely slow though. 15-20 hands/hour I'd guess.

I heard yesterday that they will make it a $5 bring-in very soon. Not sure if they are raising the min/max buyin.
I'd be content if they simply round the opening raise up to 10, instead of always having to make change for $8, slows down an already slow game.
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03-20-2012 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PayOffWizard1987
If your bankroll is 2 buy-ins I'm pretty sure its a huge mistake to get it in when your a 51/49 favorite.

On such a small roll you pretty much have 1 shot so you have to really wait and pick a good profitable spot that you know your a big favorite.

If you are trying to start/build a bankroll with 2 buy-ins and are considering sticking your stack in with a 88 vs AK you will go broke and never build a roll.
lol im obv looking to avoid these situations dont get me wrong theres def a ton more profitable ways to play 88 here - point being is if i know im ahead n the money HAS to go in, im not gonna chicken out just because of a small roll.

i do think im gonna be able to find spots n be able to play my tag game - im more lookin for bad players to exploit n chip up little by little by them makin mistakes.. but if it comes down to me KNOWING they're beat n will chase a flush if i shove my set... well so be it im not passing up those opportunities ever 2 buyins or not. might get stacked this time, but ill reload eventually.. if im a winning player here, it will eventually work in my favor
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03-20-2012 , 11:21 PM
I'm thinking of going to play 1/2 during the day tomorrow (11-6 or so). Can anyone say how the games during the day compare to the evening and weekend?
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03-21-2012 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
was there ever a scenario where youre going to fold a set because you think someone has a flush draw??
I saw a guy almost fold the nuts (straight) on the flop because he thought the villain had a flush draw. I also made a guy fold 99 on a A93r flop.
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03-21-2012 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LoosenUp
I've seen an occasional 50/100 (75/150) HORSE game being spread.

How often does this go and what days of the week are most likely.

Thanks
Mizrachi was in town last Wednesday playing this i believe...
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03-23-2012 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 22dueces22
Mizrachi was in town last Wednesday playing this i believe...
Confirmed
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03-26-2012 , 05:25 AM
How often does the 1/2 plo go and whats the min and max buy in for it? Thinking about driving up from cincy but I only really care to play plo or some kind of 5/10 or 6/12 mixed game and dont want to drive up just to play holdem.
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03-26-2012 , 05:43 AM
1/2 plo runs every day. 100 min 300 max.
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03-26-2012 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffawesome
1/2 plo runs every day. 100 min 300 max.
Thanks. Do you know what time it starts and does it run most of the day/night?
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03-26-2012 , 08:55 AM
Approx how many runners does the last Sat 500 tourney usually get?
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03-26-2012 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BigStack Husker
How often does the 1/2 plo go and whats the min and max buy in for it? Thinking about driving up from cincy but I only really care to play plo or some kind of 5/10 or 6/12 mixed game and dont want to drive up just to play holdem.
doesn't the hollywood in lawrenceberg run 1/2 plo regularly? or is it just during the events?
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03-26-2012 , 11:36 AM
1/2 PLO starts during the early afternoon and runs through most of the night. It probably breaks roughly 4-6 AM, but I don't stick around that long. Fri/Sat it is liable to run around the clock.
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03-26-2012 , 01:26 PM
Grinder was in town for a basketball game. I think he follows the Heat or smth I forget.

A few of us have been interested in getting bigger games going for a little bit now and are testing it out. 75/150 ran last Tues, we ran OE late Wed, and I'm organizing a 150 HORSE this Tues at 4pm. Hopefully we can make it a regular thing.
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