Look at Delaware Park. They offer 1/2 (300), 1/3 (500), 2/5 (1,000) and the 2/5 is very hit or miss, and the 1/3 doesn't always even go. The smaller games with similar buyins cannibalize the bigger games. Some recreational players think more in terms of how much money they can win/lose than the buyin, so when they bring $500 and want to play poker, they'll sit in the 1/3 if you change that buyin structure. This makes the 2/5 game worse, and it deteriorates from there. I saw this all the time when I was playing there. Smart poker room managers will protect their bigger games with the buyin structure. The Horseshoe's is perfect.

An ideal buyin for the 1/3 game ALONE would be $500, but it would mess up the other games.

Also, the shallower cap on the smaller game is good for beginners and recreational players, which is good for the health of the room. It hurts the 1/3 grinders, but they're at the bottom of the priority list for a poker room.

It would take players out of the 2/5 game, and thus hurt the 2/5 game. You can't just think in terms of dollars on the table, it's players in the game.

The structures at the Horseshoe are perfect as is.

I don't care about the bigger games. If the 1/3 was capped at 500 instead of 300 I'd play here all the time. For now I'll stick to live 1/2.

Mistakes are bigger the deeper everyone is in relation to the blinds. Playing smaller games against villains that occasionally get lucky to be deep and have no clue is where a lot of my profit comes from.


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That's a you problem. What's best for the room overall is absolutely NOT to cater to 1/3 grinders.

I would absolutely encourage them NOT to increase the buy-in at the 1/3 games. In my experience, games are always softer when the buy-in cap is low. If the concern is the games playing to shallow, they should get rid of the stupid straddle-in-any-position rule (this coming from someone who almost always straddles the button myself). And you should absolutely not be able to straddle in lieu of paying your blinds!

Here is the #1 reason why the higher buy-in is detrimental to the health of the game and the poker community...The higher buy-in greatly favor the more skill player...NL had its root in unlimited buy-in and the game died..A buy-in cap makes it possible to spread NL..

Do agree that with the straddle rules the game plays much much bigger then 1-3...The debate should be raise the max buy-in or change/lower the straddle..

I've played at a Caesars property that allowed anyone at the table to buy up to the chip leader at 1/2 2/5 and 5/10. It was essentially uncapped bc no one would say anything if someone added on more and dealers didn't enforce it. Games were absolutely amazing. Prob wouldn't work out in Baltimore bc there isn't exactly tons of $ flowing into this poker room.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ans-la-575837/

I have no earthly idea what sort of impact changing the buyin cap at 1/3 would have on the other games. I'd imagine the 5/10 game would be unaffected, there's prob little to no overlap in the player pools of 1/3 and 5/10.

Yeah I don't think the room in Baltimore is big enough to support uncapped games. I think a lot of money flows into that New Orleans room. I've never played there, but I've heard good things about the 1/2 and 2/5 games, but nothing about the 5/10. It's also the only room in town, and there are unique dynamics there.

The reason it hurts 5/10 isn't due to overlapping player pools. In any poker room the 2/5 game supports the 5/10 game. You need a good player pool feeding into it, so anything that hurts the 2/5 game hurts the 5/10 in turn. I guess you can't "prove" that, but I'm sure many would agree.

One improvement they should do is force initial buyins to be from the Cashier

I've seen nit after nit sit down, watch a hand, then buy in from the dealer to slow the game down when the cashier is 25 feet away

i agree. 1st buy-in should be at cashier.
it also reduces the dealer's need to re-fill his bank.

less slow downs is good

I agree changing the straddle rules might accomplish the same thing.

Agree it is a me problem. Selfishly, i care most about my win rate.

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My experience is that the first buy-in mostly the floor or chip runners would assist customer.

Also most the fish and bad recs will buy in short stack at 1/3 and 2/5 and reload for min rather than buying in full.

You'll hear how much is the minimum buy-in a lot and the stupid ATM only lets me take out $240.

Interesting rumor about the food offerings at the Diamond Lounge:

Maryland law- free food in venues such as the Diamond Lounge must be limited to hors d’oeuvre, pretzels, cheese/crackers, etc

Considering about 95% of players in the casino are diamond status I don't think there is any way they could have legit food in there. If they did it would be gone immediately every time.

Also, Im curious…

Does anyone know if the absurd 3 comps are going to continue forever?
Is it a flaw in the system or are doing it on purpose?
Is it maybe a first year only promo that will end in august?

Gonna be so upset if it gets bumped down to $1 an hour after all this fun.

I'm not sure if things of this nature are accidental (seems unlikely), but they don't advertise those rates... So it's probably best not to ask them about it and just enjoy it as long as it lasts. If it was a first year promo, I'd think it would be advertised.

Next circuit event 8/20/2015 - 8/31/2015

Where do you see that?

Someone will post the official schedule here when it's released in the next few weeks:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/65...edule-1533943/

Looks like a couple of the casinos that have wsopc stops are putting dates up on various social media. I don't see anything on Anthony's Twitter yet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/anthonychstr

Yeah I'm actually already subbed to that thread, and checked Anthony's Twitter, the Shoe's twitter, and some other WSOPc related Twitter accounts... I also checked Bluff, Cardplayer, PokerNews, etc and didn't see anything. Maybe YG just heard from someone at the Shoe...

Confirmed - was in the room last night when Anthony announced to the whole room that Corporate confirmed, Baltimore Horseshoe is getting a second WSOP event in August of this year.

Our dealer was unsurprised so presumably the dealers had heard ahead of time.

On a slightly different note, and one I hope I'm wrong about.

Check your receipts, guys.

Some of you may have read in the Rivers thread where I relayed a story told to me by a Rivers reg that wait staff were scamming the comp players by using their comps to pay for cash orders and pocketing the cash.

The other day I ordered dinner using my comps, and when I got my receipt, there'd been an addition to my order - a very small one, just a bag of candy - but nothing I'd ordered.

I pointed it out to the waitress and got refunded in cash (not in comps, not sure if that's possible or not), but I made a point of speaking to the food manager and asked her if she was aware of what had happened at Rivers. She said they were, and they keep a close eye on things.

So - I HOPE this was just an honest mistake, but I've noticed since then that the waitresses do not all bring you your receipt when you pay with comps.

So I'm not saying the scam is happening here, but I saying we should all be doing two things:
1) Asking for our receipts;
2) CHECKING our receipts

Just be careful guys.

+1. was in the room and heard announcement as well

Thanks, guys! Do you mean a second WSOP event as in the first one was last February/March and this is the second, or that they're getting two stops this year, one in August and one in the Spring? That would be awesome!

Second as in Feb/Mar was #1, this is #2.