18 flights, 200 each, they need an average of 277 people per flight to hit it.

That would be quite an accomplishment for a room that boasts 50-60 people on a weekend tournament.

if they don't hit that figure, would the tourney be canceled and $ refunded?

Typically it would be an overlay and the Shoe would put up the extra cheese

Couldn't agree more. It drives me nuts...

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You gotta remember this has a 250k 1st prize for 200$ that brings a lot of people outta the woodwork. They'll be coming from as far a field a philly for this one

I think he used to take tournament overlay from the BBJ at DE park iirc.

That seems disingenuous/unethical. Caesars isn't guaranteeing anything then... the cash players are!

I wonder how the MD law is written... I guess technically BBJ funds are being "returned to the players" in the form of the guarantee so that would be some form of justification. IMO that doesn't make it right, since tourney players don't pay into the BBJ drop.

I think they'd be sued if they tried that.

If a casino makes a guaranteed prize pool they have to honor it.

Oh I'm not saying they won't do it. I'm saying it'll be quite an accomplishment.

But if they don't start promoting it soon I'm wondering how many people will come from afar. Don't people have to plan ahead to come to these things?

Let's just find out first what they'd actually do before going nuts about hypotheticals.

I and at least 1 other are up for this tonight (Tuesday) as well... probably will make it closer to 9pm.

PINK!

They can't not guarantee something that they've guaranteed.

This topic came up in fact on a smaller scale a while back in the Monday Night 3 blind tournament. It's a 5k GTD tourney and they didn't have enough players to hit the guarantee. Someone asked the floor whether the pool would still be 5k and the floor response was that they have to honor their promised guarantee.

Could you imagine what would happen to the Shoe both legally from a reputation perspective if they made a promise for a $1M GTD tourney then didn't honor it?

At least one other Caesars Entertainment NorthEast property canceled their tournament guarantees on multiple occasions. I think this guarantee will be met though due to abundance of dreamers who will shoot as many bullets as necessary till they bag

I saw 8 on the list for the pink chip mix yesterday afternoon so I zipped over there. I got there as they were calling the game. I said that it always plays as HOE but someone insisted that they HORSE. I don't mind playing one game I don't know very well (stud 8) but I didn't want to play 3 games I don't know much about.

They all agreed to HORSE (or maybe HOSE) which I didn't want so I just went back home. I'm going to have to spend some time looking at the basic strategies for all those stud based games.

Someone suggested I just sit out the games I don't want to play but when they are charging a timed rake, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Do you have a citation supporting this claim?

If Caesar's has a history of killing tournaments after they've started then it should be screamed about far and wide and the entire poker community should be discouraged from playing at any Caesar's establishment.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...ulled-1386384/

I don't even think that was the only time.

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Not the same thing.

That's very disappointing and discouraging.

However - just pointing this out - the scenario there is a single day event cancelled < an hour before it started, and this explanation was given:
I'm not excusing that decision. HOWEVER it was cancelled BEFORE it started. (30 MINS before, sure, but before...)

Here you've got a multi-day tournament with 18 day 1 flights. That isn't something you can so casually cancel after play has started on flight 1.

There's certainly going to be language to the effect that Horseshoe can alter/change the tournament.

It doesn't always play as HOE, but it runs more as HOE than anything else. They advertise it as a mix and it usually ends up as HOE. Frankly, I feel about O8 how you feel about stud games. If there was a way I could play HRSE or triple stud, I'd jump on it. But, most people really like O8 (shudders and gags), so I put up with it because they have E and I can handle some Omaha yuckiness for some stud awesomeness.

If I hated all stud games with the hatred and outright loathing I feel towards that wretched four card abomination, I just wouldn't play in mix games except the nlhe/plo mixes. Mix games are about being flexible and not just a one or two trick pony. I recognize and revel in this.

I played in the game the last two days and also had mixed feelings about the mix, especially RAZZ. Nevertheless, after one rotation, learning the basics really isn't that hard. In order to start spreading mixed games on a more permanent basis, there has to be some flexibility of the players sitting on the game. Twice we had the game almost cancelled due to several players mandating that only one type of game be spread. Learning niche games takes some time and practice but will be well worth it as you practice.

Also of note, since many people are new to some of the games, the game itself has been EXTREMELY SOFT. That should be of some incentive to just try it, and hopefully we can get more players started on additional games.

Of note to players, time played on this game DOES NOT count towards the "legendary bankroll" promotion, as no promotional monies are taken. In addition, It is a timed rake event, and NO RAKE was collected for the first hour in order to start the game (thank you!).

Maybe in the future we could get multiple games going, and have the ability to just play stud, or Omaha, but, we need the player base to do this. Please keep this in mind as new players come to this game and are unfamiliar with some of the games, the more we are welcoming and accommodating, the more players we will attract...

I thoroughly agree. That's why I'll agree to play Omaha. I'll even agree to take out holdem despite it being my best game. I wouldnt agree to play Omaha though without at least one stud game.... Preferably 8. I'm all about being nice to new players and even am willing to give basic hand selection advice (nothing that couldn't be found in 30 seconds by googling) and the like to get people to play. But you gotta play games you aren't the best at to get to play your best +ev games. If you want Omaha I want stud 8 or another stud game. Or just holdem would be fine albeit less fun.

Pink game mix in the last week:

HORSE 9 handed
HORSE 8 handed
HOE 9 handed
HORE 9 handed

In the last week, I've played in these setups. I'm all for flexibility, but this seems silly.

I don't mind, as i'll play most games, but I can see how people might shy away from the whole thing all together.

From my very unscientific poll and observations, HOE seems to be the most popular run of games, maybe HORE behind that. So if you are starting this game, I'd advocate those two over the full HORSE. It seems no one likes stud anymore.

Played with a few dealers/supervisors from the rooom down the street. They're good people. I hope this continues to be a regular game.

Hoe certainly seems most popular to me from my experience. I gotta love HORE too. It's so hard to choose between a hoe and a hore... The fun lover in me thinks the split pot games are probably more fun but the avaricious side of me wants another one winner game. For me I don't really care if it's razz or stud.

I would agree - the "complexity" that this is introducing to the market is likely to cost customers. And to be clear: I'm a customer. I've never played the stud games before, but am learning to like/appreciate the Stud-8. You want me in this game while I take my lumps (and get lucky sucking out every so often!)

The "R" in 1 of the 2 tables last night made things temporarily difficult until they agreed to eliminate it to support the must-move. I think for the health of the game longer-term, they (we) should stick to HOE so that people know what they're getting both when they see the list on the board AND so that when they get to the top of the list, they know what game they're set for!

Just my .02 to keep it simple, and let the pattern develop. This room might actually have something to offer over MDL if this could go consistently, and that's only going to happen if people can know reliably what they're signing up for.

*My 69th post... in the words of Bill & Ted: Excellent!

You're right of course. There is another factor to consider: A lot of the Maryland Live dealers and other employees really want to play all the games (except holdem). We have this group to thank for the very existence of the game and (and this latter observation is applicable to many though by no means all members of that group) the juciness and at times the insane loose action it provides. I am more concerned with providing a mix that makes them happy so they'll keep playing and having a helluva good time on their day off.

I think this audience is THE key constituency for keeping the game going and juicy!