I imagine it is incentive enough to be better than other dealers and there by get the bonus tips

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Trip report for the 5-10 game:

Had one main game when I arrived at 5:30PM and a must move started around 6PM. There was also one 2-5 game when I arrived, but that was full too. I see that they had call ins, so I suggest calling in and putting in your name for 2-5 and 5-10 so you don't have to wait or play 1-2.

Anyways, the game was soft for a 5-10 IMO (prob talent level equivalent of a standard 2-5 game at Foxwoods) at both the must move and main (but maybe that's because a lot of the best regs are in Vegas for WSOP).

The dealers were OK, I saw some confusion when it came to things like posting, what to do in certain misdeal situations etc, but overall they were all generally friendly and controlled the game well. The floors were also very pleasant, and were tried to accommodate me in starting the 5-10 must move. No free booze, but they have self-service soda machines and had a free sandwich buffet that started around 7PM as well. Overall a very pleasant experience. Good job to any employees who might be lurking these forums!

"Yeah but how much did you lose?"

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Stopped by for the first time last night just to see what it was like. Pretty much have the same opinion as Rapini. Wasn't too impressed by the overall casino but no complaints about the poker room or dealers for the 4+ hrs I was around for. Everybody was friendly and the 1/2 game seemed typical.

I still can't force myself to enjoy playing NL and I don't see anything besides that ever getting any traction there so I doubt I make it back much but if you're in the area or driving through its def worth a stop off if you're looking for low limit NL.

When is the additional BBJ $1 taken? Is it when the pot reaches $60?

Sorry for the dumb question, haven't played much live yet.

I assume its 20, that seems the be the standard

So when the pot hits $20, they rake $3? ($2+$1)

Also, does this place take rake on a hand with no flop?

All pretty stahndard.

Actually, that's what I get for replying quickly.

No flop, no drop is the standard though it is not universal by any means.

I am pretty sure that's the case in Perryville, however.

Perryville rakes preflop, so if you steal the blinds the dealer should take $1

The level of comedy at this 1/2 table today is unbelieveable. I may just stay here for the giggles instead of taking my 2/5 seat.....

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Played there Sat & Sun, for my first live casino games. Overall I very much enjoyed the experience. It is pretty loud in the poker area, but the noise comes from the rest of the casino, so I don't see much they can do about that.

I did notice a lot of inconsistencies between dealers. Once when a player showed his hand to another player, the dealer told him not to. A few dealers later, the player to my right tried to show me his hand several times after I was out of it, and nothing was said.

On another occasion, when it was checked to the blinds pre flop, the players agreed to chop, and the dealer said no. Then later the same thing happened and a different dealer asked the players if they wanted to chop.

I was in a hand where I announced a raise to 60, counted out two stacks of thirty, and moved them in one at a time. The dealer stopped me, and said I could not put the second stack in. This was my mistake, I wasn't angle shooting, I'm just new to live play. It cost me $30, but I think that dealer did the right thing. But it is frustrating to see other people making the same mistake under a different dealer and not get called for it.

Again, overall I enjoyed the experience and will definitely be back.

You announced a raise though? You could put 60 white chips one by one in and it's a legal bet.

I don't think he said a number when he said raise.

Yes, I announced the raise to 60. At first I thought the dealer hadn't heard me. The player next to me said he had heard it. The dealer even said he had heard it, but that it was the way I moved the chips in. Fortunately my opponent missed his flush, and I still won the hand.

Maybe the dealer was wrong then. At the time I thought I had accidentally string bet. But I did see other people announce a raise and then move the chips in the same way I did, later, with different dealers.

Also, in hindsight, I can't really say it cost me $30. If I had been able to bet 60, pricing out the flush draw, my opponent may have folded. But who knows.

Sorry, I'm mistaken then. The dealer is definitely wrong. If you say raise to a valid number, that is binding. And like the poster above me said, it doesn't matter if you fling white chips one by one (don't do that).

Mace, nice bad beat stories but obviously you want to play in games like that. The short term results can be frustrating but I will take the loose action all day everyday, that is the whole point of playing poker. Way better than sitting there listening to the Internet guys discuss ranges as every pot is like 16 bucks. In fact, I'm going to be passing there on 95 this evening and your post is making me want to stop in (enjoyed the action last time around there).

+1 Jeffage
I have played here ~20+ times since the opening of the poker room and I have yet to encounter even half of a full table of competent thinking players. This is exactly what I want at my table any day, everyday. Just be patient and go to value town. Without tables like these I wouldn't have been able to build a stack from $300 to $1700 in 3 hours like last night. Slight brag

Looks like the mods deleted my post....wasn't trying for a beat/variance type post just wanted to give an example of the abysmal play!

The play there had gotten me so frustrated that I started to think that I really don't know wth I'm doing. But after going through most of my hands again and again I think I'm playing exactly how I should but I just to be aware of the size of the swings possible in these games.

Mentally it can be tough when you see people constantly profiting from their bad play. It's funny too when these same players start berating people who make a standard play.

For example last night a guy who I havn't played with before tanks for maybe 30 seconds on the two heart no pair flop. I don't know the action preflop but action to him is an all in of about $400 and a call for less. Total pot is about $1000 and both other players play ATC for any amount of money. He calls and turns over nut flush draw.Turn is a blank and the river is a heart. Half the table erupts with "He called $400 on A DRAW!" but they will all call pot size bets for gutter balls. They critiqued his call and criticized him for almost ten minutes afterwards.... he tried to explain he was getting 2.5 to 1 and it was 1.9 to 1 to hit and he couldn't fold....eventually he gave up when most of them agreed it was 9 to 1 to hit his flush so pot would have had to be at least $3600 for him to call....LOL

Anyway....I'll be back this week to ride out the swings yet again.

Wish me luck!

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So.....almost 23+ hours grinding for probably the last time at Perryville.....and I am UP!

I CAN'T BELIEVE I BEAT THIS GAME!

How much did I make?

$22

That's less than $1 an hour.

Actual amount cashed out was $1222....in the game for 6 buyins.

Einstein said the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results while the results will never change.

I guess I am insane because solid play does not beat 1/2 at this room. The level of play is so horrendous the ONLY way to consistently profit is to get good cards. I dont mean aces, kings, etc....I mean you need to hit sets, make gutter balls, and flop the nuts to make even close to a positive win rate. Skill, game theory, and correct play do not matter. It is all about luck and run good here.

Well thought out and implemented bluffs dont work.

Pounding on the limpers in position does not work.

Semi bluffs dont work.

Postion is pointless (blasphemy! ).

Why was I in the game for $1200 you ask?

I think you know the answer to that one..

...I wont bore you with the multitude of 4th pair that rivers a set to my flopped top two stories....

...or the tale of my nut flush getting flushed down the toilet by the nut LOW flush that hits the 1 outer straight flush card on the river....

....or the premiums getting all in pre and being smashed by offsuit 2 gappers...

...etc, etc, etc....


Actually the funniest hand I saw was when I was walking back from dinner and I stopped to sweat one of the quite solid players from an old 2/5 private game I used to play in. For some reason he has been playing 1/2. Misery loves company I quess. Anyway...

Couple of players had limped, 1 raise and then Solid 3 bet from the cutoff.

Limpers fold(!) and original raiser calls. Heads up.

Flop is 8s7hQs.

Original raiser checks. Solid bets. OR calls.

Turn is 8s7hQs5c.

OR checks. Solid bets. OR calls.

River is 8s7hQs5c4d.

OR checks. Solid thinks for about 30 seconds and bets enough to put OR all in.
Probably a little more than a pot sized bet.

OR SNAP calls and shows 3h3d.

Solid sighs shows AsKs.

6th pair is GOOT!

Solid had the funniest look on his face while the whole table congratulated OR on such a great call.

I heard OR turn to the guy next to him and say "I knew he didnt have anything when he just called before the 3 cards came out...."

LOL

Solid you know better!

How did I manage to get back to even with so many clueless luckbox from hell donkeys populating my table?

About 10 hours in I noticed that a new table had opened with about 5 or 6 guys who I knew were OK players and somewhat knew of position and hand values. They still play weak and somewhat poorly but they dont play 83 sooted or call down with 6th pair on super scary boards etc....the other few players were unknowns...very rare to find a table like this at Perryville. I quickly asked for a table change and soon moved.

So for the next 13 hours I played the same style game as I usually do...solid, normal, positionally aware poker. Lo and behold what happened? I slowly built my stack up. One big hand (set vs OESFD that missed) but mostly just solid play with small and medium sized pots.There were some beats but not the kind where you are WTF? Just normal good hand vs good hand. Most people would limp fold if I raised in position. Or fold to a squeeze if they were weak. They somewhat respected raises and could do some basic hand reading. They were not horrible players just not GOOD players.

I think that is the key to this room. Versus a table of horrible players your winrate is entirely based on the cards you get. Really no different than everyone going all in blind everyhand since no one folds. Ever. In the long run everyone gets the same cards so the money just moves around the table while the house rakes it. No one wins. It is just a crapshoot.(Extreme example but you get the idea).

At a table of not quite good players your edge actually makes a difference. You can bluff scare cards and scary boards yet you can still have most of your monsters paid off. You dont run into goofy two pair hands when they play 83s etc...

Unfortunately this type of table at 1/2 is few and far between. 2/5 on the other hand seems to have more of this type of player pool....too bad I'm not really rolled for that game anymore....





It was fun Perryville.

I WON'T miss you.

Mace

*Mods keep deleting my posts. Dont know why...???!!!!






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I don't know Mace, maybe you're just running bad? And/or tilting a little?

Having never played live before, last night was my 10th session, all at Perryville. I have won 7/10 and am up +$1964 playing only 1/2. I know, "sample size", but the games do seem beatable. I'm not handing out bad beats, and I've surely taken my share.

At any rate, in 3 weeks most of the better regs will flock down to AA county, and the games should get very soft I think. At least for a while, until some sort of equilibrium is reached.

Best of luck to you, wherever you play.

So you are trying to make sophisticated bluffs and punish in position people that don't have a fold button and can't think past their own hands, sounds like they turned you into the fish.

The key to beating these people is not punishing in pos. or bluffing scare cards. It's keep pots small with one or two pair hands and over bet ( value town) big hands. Since they can't fold go ahead and bet twice the pot with your flush their tptk will pay you off. Simple game.

Also don't pay them off out of frustration when they clearly got their with whatever bs they have. You might fold a winner sometimes when they blow you out of the pot when the scare cards hits and that's ok, wait for a better spot.

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Another thought on mace post.

I see all the time sold thinking players become the fish when trying to out play non thinking rec players saying how could you call with that. You as a player need to adjust to them. Not expect them to learn to fold when you bluff the flush card. These players won't change at all. You need to adjust or become the fish

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I DO feel like I have become the fish at this room!

What else happens too is that if you have a losing image people start playing ATC preflop against you. So you tighten up and play only premiums but since you have a lousy image the WHOLE table calls when you open utg to $25 with AA. In that situation you are maybe 25% to win by the river. AKs or TT maybe 17% by the river. I just don't think you can be profitable at full ring 1/2 IN THIS ROOM with the current player pool....but then again maybe I AM the fish!

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Not trying to get on you at all but, the AK hand you described a so called solid player played, he played horrible. Don't mind the reraise pre. Or the c bet. But if this person didn't believe him on the flop the turn or river changed nothing. Give up. If you raise AA to whatever pre and get 6 callers be prepared to fold a lot of flops as your not good most of the time with a ton of action.

This is the best room in the area to make money. You just haven't figured it out yet. No offense but you are trying to hard to be in situations up see on tv, punish in position, bluff scare cards and so on. This is not the room for that. If I raise AA and get six callers and I'm out of position then I'm probably trying to keep this pot as small as possible in this room and folding to significant action. Even if I fold the best hand so what. I'm playing implied odds hands like suited connectors in pos I'll limp in try to see my draws cheap, why they will pay you off anyways. No need to semi bluff. They will pay you when you get there anyways.

Not even a personal attack on you but I think you think you are way better then you actually are. This is all pretty simple stuff. Stop trying to out play people and take them to value town.

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