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03-10-2013 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Krayzie777
They aren't worth it given the chip stacks either. Doesn't allow for too much play. I'd rather have had the stacks increased when the prices did. Seemed to be too much to ask though.
We gave more chips before but had a worse structure, we have a better structure and less chips now. Tournament has to be structured to run +/- 4 hours on weekdays. As much as you or I want to play deep stacks (and I do, when I play) not every guy wants to play a tournament for 6-8 hours every day of the week. Adding a 3rd day (Friday) for a 10k tournament seemed like decent compromise.
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03-11-2013 , 11:02 AM
Honestly, didnt know Fridays were a 10K as well. I had planned on moving my weekday play to Sundays anyways as I work Friday and Saturday. However even an extra brown chip to start the weekdays would not have pushed the tournament back that much in time. Just seems as though after the break its just a shove fest IMO but I still play because its the closest casino to play.
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03-12-2013 , 10:55 AM
Brian, what would be the ruling if:

Player says he wants $200 added to his stack for a total of $300. Runner says $200 behind. Player goes all in without $200 being delivered, is he obligated to the entire $300? Or is it a gentleman's agreement? Can Player B (if he lost of course) not agree to pay out additional $200?

What if Player is coloring up and chips are in transit? Are those chips in play or per gentleman's agreement (both sides)?

Thanks
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03-12-2013 , 11:45 AM
If it is announced $200 behind then those chips are absolutely in play. Not sure what the reference to a gentlemen's agreement had to do with anything.
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03-12-2013 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
If it is announced $200 behind then those chips are absolutely in play. Not sure what the reference to a gentlemen's agreement had to do with anything.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...php?p=37329625

See post from ashineynickel.

I really really really hate when I ask one person (the poker manager) a question, and regs start popping in just like they do at the tables - ASSuming they know the topic and are providing the correct answer.

This correct answer can be specific to each poker room.
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03-12-2013 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FiveTenMan
Brian, what would be the ruling if:

Player says he wants $200 added to his stack for a total of $300. Runner says $200 behind. Player goes all in without $200 being delivered, is he obligated to the entire $300? Or is it a gentleman's agreement? Can Player B (if he lost of course) not agree to pay out additional $200?

What if Player is coloring up and chips are in transit? Are those chips in play or per gentleman's agreement (both sides)?

Thanks
Yes, players are "playing behind" if money was out before the cards were dealt and it was announced that the player is $x.xx behind. The idea of "gentlemen's agreement" does not enter into it. If that player goes all-in, his bet is what's in front of him PLUS what's behind him. Same goes for coloring up, the chips are still in his stack.

P.S. I saw your other link to the Parx thread and from my experience, no, Parx does not permit players to "play behind" or be dealt in without physical chips in front of them. I played there myself and was caught a little offguard by it when I went busto, pulled out $200 and the dealer wouldn't deal me in (another player sold me chips from his pocket so I did get a hand). I'm not sure how any other PA casinos handle this situation. I suppose it either has to do with the casino's interpretation of the PGCB regulations, or just a matter of personal preference on the part of management . (Of course, now that I know, I just buy extra green at initial buy-in, so it's not a problem I just wasn't expecting it.)
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03-12-2013 , 04:48 PM
link to the "gentlemen's agreement" chapter in Robert's Rules of Poker?

Last edited by Bdidd; 03-12-2013 at 04:51 PM. Reason: i read the link. Seems as if this type of situation is ripe for an angle. Why announce "behind" if the money isn't in play?
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03-12-2013 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
link to the "gentlemen's agreement" chapter in Robert's Rules of Poker?
He was referring to a quote from Parx thread, where a player claimed the floor used that term.
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03-22-2013 , 05:28 AM
When is the last month to qualify for the HPO? The billboard on I-83 says May, website says April. Just want to see if I still have a chance to qualify next month for a freeroll in May.
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03-24-2013 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by paigowtommy
When is the last month to qualify for the HPO? The billboard on I-83 says May, website says April. Just want to see if I still have a chance to qualify next month for a freeroll in May.
Last qualification dates for hours or tournament points are April 1-30. Last day to get in as a wildcard entry is May 11th. Last freeroll is May 12th.

(P.S. If you're not going to make it for the March qualification, we also have 5 wildcard seats to giveaway on April 13th from 2p-6p, for the April 14th tournament.)
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03-26-2013 , 12:46 PM
Brian, the tournament and live play rankings show a date of 3/17/13 when you pull it up from the website.

I'm assuming the same report is in poker room. If not, who is responsible for posting it on the Internet and why can't this be done at LEAST weekly?

It's nice that it's posted on the website, but if it's not posted timely, it's useless.
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03-26-2013 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FiveTenMan
Brian, the tournament and live play rankings show a date of 3/17/13 when you pull it up from the website.

I'm assuming the same report is in poker room. If not, who is responsible for posting it on the Internet and why can't this be done at LEAST weekly?

It's nice that it's posted on the website, but if it's not posted timely, it's useless.
The copy in the room is updated every week until the last few days of the month, where it's updated every day.

As far as the website goes, I send the same copy to our marketing team every time I update the room copy, after that it is out of my hands and I have no influence as to when it will be posted. We have one guy in marketing doing the job of three since two of our guys left and the positions haven't been filled yet. I last updated it on 3/24; "hopefully it is posted soon" is unfortunately the best answer I can give you.
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03-27-2013 , 03:08 PM
How many runners do the nightly tourneys get through the week and around what time do they end?
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03-28-2013 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Krayzie777
How many runners do the nightly tourneys get through the week and around what time do they end?
Tues and Wed can vary wildly between 35-60.

Thursday night is our biggest, I don't think we've had less than 70 in the last few months.

They can end anywhere between 11pm and 1am depending on turnout and if a chop agreement is made.
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04-02-2013 , 08:39 AM
I heard there is a wild 1-2 PLO8 game that runs every Saturday at this room. It would be my first trip to the room.

What time does this games usually start and finish?
What is the min and max buy in?

If you have any insights to the game, let me know.
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04-02-2013 , 12:03 PM
I'm new to the forum but have played at Hollywood on occasion. They have some solid dealers on the shifts, however overall most of them generally need some practice. Yes rake could be lower, I've had dealers agree with players about this, however to yell at the dealers about it isn't really fair to them they re just trying to so their jobs. Tht being said I believe the casino should keep the best poker dealers in poker and the rest out front. Maybe this will bring more people??

Last edited by Cardshark03; 04-02-2013 at 12:11 PM. Reason: Misspellings
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04-02-2013 , 12:24 PM
How many games does hollywood have going on during the week approximately? I currently play every weekend early morning but am set to retire shortly add would like to play during the week as weel and was wondering if the drive was worth it?
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04-02-2013 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardshark03
I'm new to the forum but have played at Hollywood on occasion. They have some solid dealers on the shifts, however overall most of them generally need some practice. Yes rake could be lower, I've had dealers agree with players about this, however to yell at the dealers about it isn't really fair to them they re just trying to so their jobs. Tht being said I believe the casino should keep the best poker dealers in poker and the rest out front. Maybe this will bring more people??
I too agree that if you are a good poker dealer, why not keep them in the room, especially if everyone shares tips?

I literally saw one of the best dealers spinning the dollar wheel the other week..?

I will say that overall the dealers have been pretty good, but it's always nice to get the ones keeping players in line and dealing 4-5 more hands an hour than the others.
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04-02-2013 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardshark03
How many games does hollywood have going on during the week approximately? I currently play every weekend early morning but am set to retire shortly add would like to play during the week as weel and was wondering if the drive was worth it?
Are you talking tournaments? If so, go to the website where you'll find the schedule.

Cash? Always running $1-2, nightly gets a $2-5.
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04-02-2013 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dean327
I heard there is a wild 1-2 PLO8 game that runs every Saturday at this room. It would be my first trip to the room.

What time does this games usually start and finish?
What is the min and max buy in?

If you have any insights to the game, let me know.
This game runs every Friday by noon, and Saturdays it sometimes doesn't get going until a little later in the afternoon (around 2p-3p). If you aren't here by noon on Friday though, you'll likely be waiting. The game will usually run til 2am or later both nights.

$100 min $500 max.

Be prepared for a lot of pot size re-raises with low only.

GL
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04-02-2013 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardshark03
How many games does hollywood have going on during the week approximately? I currently play every weekend early morning but am set to retire shortly add would like to play during the week as weel and was wondering if the drive was worth it?
bravopokerlive app can give you up to date table counts, but on weekdays we usually run 5-6 $1-2's and a $2-5 in the evening.
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04-02-2013 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Vickers
This game runs every Friday by noon, and Saturdays it sometimes doesn't get going until a little later in the afternoon (around 2p-3p). If you aren't here by noon on Friday though, you'll likely be waiting. The game will usually run til 2am or later both nights.

$100 min $500 max.

Be prepared for a lot of pot size re-raises with low only.

GL
Thank you for the info Brian. Sounds like a great game. I'll be making my first visit soon.
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05-01-2013 , 09:36 PM
Their Tuesday night tourney didn't go last night due to lack of interest. Hard to believe players aren't interested in having 25% taken right off the bat ($45+$15) or basically being pot committed by calling a min raise at the 3rd level of the blinds because of the measly 5000 starting chips.

Worst run poker room there is.
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05-02-2013 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganooosh
Their Tuesday night tourney didn't go last night due to lack of interest. Hard to believe players aren't interested in having 25% taken right off the bat ($45+$15) or basically being pot committed by calling a min raise at the 3rd level of the blinds because of the measly 5000 starting chips.

Worst run poker room there is.
While I agree the structure is lousy, it's designed to be done by midnight. I would agree more should go to the players.

I personally think 7:15 is too late of a start. You could easily start it at 6pm with 6,000 chips, $50+$10.

I also think the Saturday $200 should be a guarantee and go off every 2 weeks.

Lastly, the 11:15am is difficult for anyone but the old retired farts to make. 1pm would draw 20% more with those people that work leaving after lunch. It's tough to leave work at 10:30...
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05-02-2013 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FiveTenMan
While I agree the structure is lousy, it's designed to be done by midnight. I would agree more should go to the players.

I personally think 7:15 is too late of a start. You could easily start it at 6pm with 6,000 chips, $50+$10.

I also think the Saturday $200 should be a guarantee and go off every 2 weeks.

Lastly, the 11:15am is difficult for anyone but the old retired farts to make. 1pm would draw 20% more with those people that work leaving after lunch. It's tough to leave work at 10:30...
If they can't even bring in enough interest to get a game going, then perhaps things should be more designed for the players, rather than what time the tourney might end.

The players are the business. If they're not bringing them in, then they're doing something wrong. In this case, there's a multitude of things being done wrong, which is why things are the way they are.

6000 in chips would be nice, 8000 would be even better. The way it is now it becomes a shovefest very quickly. Perhaps making one of the weekly tourneys a deep stack and try starting it bit earlier.
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