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Old 10-10-2012, 04:00 PM   #26
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Re: Hollywood Casino (Columbus, Ohio)

Impossible to overcome $8 a hand:...u cant give me a scenario that in the long run that rake won't eat you alive....and that's 1/2nl...

What about the few people that think they will be able to play 3/6 for a living the rake will make that game unbearable....

3/6 limit table...

Seat 1 -125
Seat 2 -45
Seat 3 -75
Seat 4 +37
Seat 5 -210
Seat 6 -24
Seat 7 -36
Seat 8 +65
Seat 9 -167
Seat 10 -112

Results after 4 hours of opening a 3-6 game...good luck!!!
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:01 PM   #27
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That's $80/day
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:09 PM   #28
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What about the few people that think they will be able to play 3/6 for a living
Wow. 3/6 for a "living," eh?

But seriously, discussion about whether a particular rake is beatable should be directed to the Poker Theory forum. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:53 PM   #29
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I'm sorry I understand the private clubs in Columbus (minus rake) vs the Casino but that's such a short sided view of things. It takes a lot to research and take the leap to play at a private club that just doesn't exist at casinos. Yeah you can show me all you want on rakes vs once a night time drops, whatever... but not once at Nicks or Gemini did a bunch of randoms show up with a couple hundo and drop them on bluffs.. like I've seen at Hollywood. Sorry gents... the game has changed..
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:43 PM   #30
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With $8 a hand coming off the table how long before the rake empties the place out?!
It is a 10% up to $6 max not $8 a hand. The $8 is for time rake games which is the 2/5 PLO game and higher.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:58 PM   #31
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It is a 10% up to $6 max not $8 a hand. The $8 is for time rake games which is the 2/5 PLO game and higher.
Oh I guess u must know somebody not to tip or pay the $1 bbjp....good for you!!
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:10 PM   #32
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... but not once at Nicks or Gemini did a bunch of randoms show up with a couple hundo and drop them on bluffs.. like I've seen at Hollywood. Sorry gents... the game has changed..
Agreed, That is what I experienced the first night, the proximity of the room to the casino floor is perfect.

Would the rake matter as much if it was backed with any form of comps? Even Cleveland is backing 2 hrs of play with a $15 food comp.

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Old 10-10-2012, 11:32 PM   #33
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Oh I guess u must know somebody not to tip or pay the $1 bbjp....good for you!!
The RAKE is 10% up to $6 max and $8 for time rake games of 2/5 PLO and higher. The $1 you speak of is for the BAD BEAT JACKPOT or as you put it BBJP and is not part of the rake. Rake is what the casino holds from a player to maker their profit, 100% of the BBJP is given back to the players so mathematically that is not part of the equation because this isn't not part of HCC's hold. Tipping the dealer is optional but if you don't take care of your dealers then they have to find better jobs and you are left with sub par employees. So it's a $6 max rake!
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:55 AM   #34
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Re: Hollywood Casino (Columbus, Ohio)

As promised, here's my full review. Overall the room is very nice. It's laid out well with good spacing between the tables. The chairs are comfortable and the tables have built in cupholders. There are also tons of tv's, not only on the walls but overhead as well. The room is located in a good spot. It's near the main cage, there are restrooms close by, and a beverage station right around the corner. My only complaint is that it's about as far away as possible from the parking garage. The VIP/Valet entrance is much closer but valet is $5. I'm not sure if they comp valet for playing poker - I know they do at Hollywood Indiana.

The dealers were generally slow and mistake prone as expected, but for their very first day it wasn't too horrible. I will say they were all very friendly and polite. I was also impressed that the PLO dealers knew how to calculate the pot - that's something I wasn't expecting. There are also some experienced dealers from other casinos which was nice. The floor guys I dealt with were professional and seemed to have a good knowledge of the rules. It was also nice to have chip runners.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:38 AM   #35
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Here are a couple of my thoughts on what's being discussed in this thread.

First, you can't just add the $1 BBJ to the rake amount when comparing to the flat fee of the card rooms. NST and Gemini both take out $1 for their BB/RF jackpots as well, though I believe it takes a larger pot to do so. Plus the rake is a MAX of $6 per pot. There are alot of 1/2 pots that doesn't reach max rake. That being said, I am by no means downplaying or arguing that the high rake is better than flat fee. That flat fee is WAY better. Depending on how you play though, stacking drunk donks and paying the rake may be more profitable than playing against some fairly strong players at the clubs that you've played with night in and night out. I just hope we maintain the option to do both if we wish.

I played 1/2 Mon/Tue at the casino and had good results both nights. I have a feeling that once the newness of it wears off the games won't be as profitable though. The overall play of the 1/2 that Ive been involved in is way nittier then I could have ever imagined though. I was totally shocked. Possibly the smallest playing 1/2 Ive ever been around. Even threw some money away trying to loosen one game up. That's very scary coming from me too, because most that have ever played with me on a regular basis will label me as a nit, and probably rightfully so.

I think the 100% buyin will be much more prevelant at the 2/5 and higher games than at the 1/2. The 2/5 games I saw were playing pretty deep. I played with a $600+ stack most of the day Monday at 1/2 and never once did anyone have any interest in buying in over $300.

So because of this, I am left in a weird spot. I feel the 1/2 plays way too small for my liking, but the 2/5 game may play too large for my liking. As long as Im making money I guess Ill continue to play 1/2 for a while, but Ill probably just have to man up and play with the deep-stacked 2/5 players to keep the game interesting to me.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:42 AM   #36
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The overall play of the 1/2 that Ive been involved in is way nittier then I could have ever imagined though. I was totally shocked. Possibly the smallest playing 1/2 Ive ever been around.
My experience was almost the exact opposite, $6 or $8 raises had no impact on the number of callers at my table on Monday, and we were routinely getting to the cap on the rake on the flop.

We also had a high number of women at our table, always at least two, and once four, all at the same end of the table (we were wight handed at the time).

We were often one or two seats short - Does anyone know if once we get into the room if we can just jump to a new table without getting back on the wait list?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:14 AM   #37
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Re: Hollywood Casino (Columbus, Ohio)

Have they said anywhere what comps we get for poker? I remember seeing on their fb page the manager said they weren't doing a $/hr
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:02 AM   #38
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No comps...from their fb page:
Hollywood Columbus Poker Room We will begin running promotions soon and all promotions will require a player's card to participate. You absolutely can move to other games of the same type. Just let a Floor Supervisor know that you want to change tables. If you are looking to go to a different game (i.e. $1/2 to $2/5), you would need to be on the list for the other game.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:43 AM   #39
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Impossible to overcome $8 a hand:...u cant give me a scenario that in the long run that rake won't eat you alive....and that's 1/2nl...

What about the few people that think they will be able to play 3/6 for a living the rake will make that game unbearable....

3/6 limit table...

Seat 1 -125
Seat 2 -45
Seat 3 -75
Seat 4 +37
Seat 5 -210
Seat 6 -24
Seat 7 -36
Seat 8 +65
Seat 9 -167
Seat 10 -112

Results after 4 hours of opening a 3-6 game...good luck!!!
This shows -692 to rake assuming all players stayed at the table. So 692/4=173 per hour in rake and tip... 173/30 hands=$5.77 a hand. I guess that is accurate.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:47 AM   #40
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The RAKE is 10% up to $6 max and $8 for time rake games of 2/5 PLO and higher. The $1 you speak of is for the BAD BEAT JACKPOT or as you put it BBJP and is not part of the rake. Rake is what the casino holds from a player to maker their profit, 100% of the BBJP is given back to the players so mathematically that is not part of the equation because this isn't not part of HCC's hold. Tipping the dealer is optional but if you don't take care of your dealers then they have to find better jobs and you are left with sub par employees. So it's a $6 max rake!
Are you positive that 100% of the BBJP drop goes to the pool? I know in CLE only 60% goes towards the actual BBJP and the rest is for poker room marketing.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:57 AM   #41
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Are you positive that 100% of the BBJP drop goes to the pool? I know in CLE only 60% goes towards the actual BBJP and the rest is for poker room marketing.
It would be nice to know the answer to that so players are aware of where their money is going, but it doesn't matter with respect to the rake discussion unless there's some sort of long-term promotion coming out of the BBJ fund that you know you're going to receive. If it's used only to fund the BBJ, your chances of hitting are so negligible that a BBJ drop is the same as an additional dollar of rake.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:11 PM   #42
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Heading up there for the first time tonight. Can you buy in at the table or the podium like in Toledo, or do you have to buy in with chips from the cashier?
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:13 PM   #43
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Heading up there for the first time tonight. Can you buy in at the table or the podium like in Toledo, or do you have to buy in with chips from the cashier?
Just the podium.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:28 PM   #44
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People were buying in at the table a ton on Monday, but it might have been only new dealers letting it go.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:30 PM   #45
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You can buy at the table if you get a chip runner but not from the dealer.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:32 PM   #46
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My experience was almost the exact opposite, $6 or $8 raises had no impact on the number of callers at my table on Monday, and we were routinely getting to the cap on the rake on the flop.

We also had a high number of women at our table, always at least two, and once four, all at the same end of the table (we were wight handed at the time).

We were often one or two seats short - Does anyone know if once we get into the room if we can just jump to a new table without getting back on the wait list?
Well that is encouraging at least. I guess with the sheer volume of people and the diversity in player expierience coming through the room it is likely to encounter completely different types of games from day to day. There were tables I saw that believed would have been better games than the ones I was seated at. I requested a table change a few times over the course of a couple days, and even though the floor honored my request, they seemed very aggrivated to do so each time. So if I want a change from now on Ill probably either rack up, take a short break and be reseated, or just move to another table on my own though I know you're not supposed to do that.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:39 PM   #47
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Well that is encouraging at least. I guess with the sheer volume of people and the diversity in player expierience coming through the room it is likely to encounter completely different types of games from day to day. There were tables I saw that believed would have been better games than the ones I was seated at. I requested a table change a few times over the course of a couple days, and even though the floor honored my request, they seemed very aggrivated to do so each time. So if I want a change from now on Ill probably either rack up, take a short break and be reseated, or just move to another table on my own though I know you're not supposed to do that.
Sounds like a good idea be a rebel and don't follow the rules of the room. Sounds to me like you just want to get kicked out. These are the type of players poker rooms don't want playing. They think since they were not immediately moved or waited on they can just do it themselves. Going against the rules like this are what causes games to break and rooms to get bad reviews not to mention it puts the floor staff under even greater pressure because now they don't know you moved and they try to seat someone there and now they have to look like an idiot to that player and scramble around dragging him from table to table to get him a seat. Why don't you just give the room some time to get a little experience under their belt and I bet things will be a lot smoother.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:13 PM   #48
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Obviously djphatlife is a employee at Columbus....is he even allowed to comment or promote not being a room rep?!?!
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:46 PM   #49
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Obviously djphatlife is a employee at Columbus....is he even allowed to comment or promote not being a room rep?!?!
Sorry not a employee but I have worked in rooms in the past and I know how things operate and what players do wrong and also what employees do wrong.
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:10 PM   #50
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$6 rake + $1 BBJ + $1 tip = $8. I'm not sure if you're shilling for the casino here or weren't getting at what was being alluded to, but the drop (in however you'd like to qualify it) is $8 most hands, well above national averages (60% higher than most Vegas rooms) I would guess.
Not sure your math. Vegas rooms are iether 4 or 5 rake +1bbj +1 tip. So either 6 or 7. Yeah it's higher but not 60%

Casinos are in buisness to make money. Vegas taxes 10% AC like 8%. The rest of the country is way higher anywhere from 20 up to 35%. Also Vegas casinos have to compete. Ohio casinos are legislatited monoplies. Thank your government for the 6$ rake nd 85% slot paybacks.
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