10 tables with dealers and cards fanned out.
Looks like another 10 table night.
Ill get a table breakdown once they go.

So is 2/5 also time raked? Or did I miss it?

Is 5-10 time raked? (sorry if I missed it)

-DB

Yes, both are time raked. 2/5 is $6 per half hour and 5/10 is $7 per half hour.

This time rake thing really sucks. It means you can't slow play and wait for cards as you can in AC.

Even in AC when you wait for cards, the Casino still makes money - by TAKING A SHARE OF THE POT (as they should) - as opposed to TAKING money from players, REGARDLESS of whether or not they are in the pot!

Of course, this frustration is directed toward C'Town, NOT anyone on this thread (unless they are C'Town plants).

-DB

You've said this in a couple threads, and I don't think you know what "slow play" means.

Borgata in AC time charges their 2/5 game as well. It is pretty much a wash against a $4 rake, but a huge advantage over a $6 rake.

So you are saying the time rake is better?

There are a couple of things to consider with to what type of rake is better. First off if you are a loose aggressive player and try to take down a lot of pots, time rake is better for you. If you are a tight player and only win a couple of big pots in a night, then the raked pot is better for you. If you are a player that loses all of their money everytime you go then it doesn't matter what type of rake there is. The main difference is that in a pot raked game it only affects the player that wins the pot, in a time raked game it affects everyone. Speed of the game and average size of the pot also matters as to what is better for you. Of course one night one may be better for you and another night the other, but bottom line is if you are a tight player, you probably want a pot raked, if you are a loose player you probably want a time rake.

If you are a tight player, talk the table into doing time pots and profit.

I'm a tight player, and it seems to me that the only one the "timed rake" helps is the "idiot player".

jwillis - I thought u said it was going to be raked (not TIME raked!)

-DB

"blinds and antes dictate how 'fast' you should play"... I'm para phrasing the first super system. Granted, it's been over ten years since I read it and I have no idea where it is but I don't recall Doyle mentioning a time charge. Probably cause that stupid chit didn't exist back then (guess how I feel about the time charge thing). Darth's comment about slow play is pretty much spot on. I was excited about this place but that fizzled quick when I found out about the time charge. I realize they won't skip a beat but I won't go for NL Hold'em. I may ride up if they ever get O8 going.

Exactly!

The Casino should take only from the POT (Befpre Pre-Flop) - NOT from those who FOLD Pre-Flop!

(As this may be confusing to some, what I mean is that any pre-flop hand could be raised by an idiot and he continues to win!)

Not so w/pot rake. He/She has to play to lose (other than blinds).

-DB

Aren't all players using the casino services?

What if I play in such a way that I win many small pots? Why should the casino take more from me than from anyone else?

Yes, paying time is unusual for 1-2nl. But it's not some moral outrage or a crime against nature.

imagine if you have a bad run for 2 hrs that's $24 plus you bb and sb let's just say $16.00 total $40.00 to you. it just don't feel right, you have to paid in order to gamble. In AC at Taj i don't think they charge time in 2-5 nl only rake.

Thanks again to all fellow players who've made the trip and reported valuable info. I dont like the time rake either, but having a poker room hour away?- worth it.

Lots of good info on lines, tables, etc. How about some comments from those of you who've gone up as to the "feel" of the room? Type of players, table chatter, things like that. Lot of locals or what? I've only played in AC, Vegas and Wisconsin and I imagine this to be like the one in Wisco-

Look forward to seeing you all at the tables!

Well I'm just back from playing I will point out a few things
1. if they say we will start taking names @ 7pm then they should not 7:10 ( i did not mind the wait but that kinda pissed me off) But the same thing happened at 8pm so who knows

2. the dealers for them most part are 7/10 a few are 9/10 but I guess they will get better but no real complaints.

3. My god are the FISH out? YES the games are super LOOSE. I played 1/2NL and it was common place to see ALL in's with AK off. One hand on the river a guy called a 80 raise with a flush 10 high.

Who knows but I will be back sooooo have fun

Arrived at 6:24 pm Wed. & was 34th on the 1/2 list.

10 tables, same mix as last two nights:

4 1/2nl

2 2/5nl

1 5/10nl

2 3/6l

1 10/20l


Much cooler tonight in the room. At least where I was sitting.

Heard no news about the weekend.


--klez

Are they doing tournaments yet?

I haven't even been there or been keeping up on the tournament subject but I can guarantee you they are not.

Has anyone played the 3/6 at CT yet? Is this game raked or time charge? Any TRs for 3/6 yet?

Trip Report: July 7th 2010.

Walked up to the poker room about 8:30. Saw maybe 30 guys in a line, (reminded me of airport security) and I think 10 tables running. People were just sitting on the floor in line waiting for a seat. Seems like maybe a lounge would be a better way of doing it instead of a lined barrier. They need to take a page from the Borgota on that one.

4 1/2nl
2 2/5nl
1 5/10nl
2 3/6l
1 10/20l

Overall the poker room is okay, nothing fantastic, they still need some renovation to things like the bathroom and they have to put a cage up there to cash chips in. Silly not to have that. Guys walking around the main casino floor with a few full racks then standing in line for 30 min to cash out is sillyness.

The Room wasn't cool but wasn't hot either. Right now you can't walk into the room, they have everything roped off on lock down until after they go full capacity. It will probably be an okay place to play once they open all the tables. It's a bit stuffy but everything is new so it's not to bad. Drinks are tip for the most part, unless you order something special.

As for the casino floor itself, it's going to rock. Plenty of tables everywhere, all without dealers right now. Slide show of images is posted here: http://www.charlestowncasino.com/ (scroll to the bottom)

Can we please Sticky the following info above my trip report so we can lock up the 'whats the rake and buyin' questions.

Games/BuyIns/Rake

No Limit Hold'Em

1-2, Buyin: 60 - 300, Rake: Time $6/30mins

2-5, Buyin: 200-500, Rake: Time $6/30mins

5-10, Buyin: 300-1500, Rake: Time $7/30mins

Limit Hold'Em

3-6, Min BuyIn: $30, Rake 10% Max 6

10-20, Min BuyIn: $100, Rake 5% Max 6

Trip Report:

Went up last night and got 30th on waitlist for 1-2. Had to start waiting in line at about 6:20 to get that. I think if I had showed up at 6:40, I wouldn't have been guaranteed a seat in the opening group. Anyways this will all be moot in a few days.

On the dealers, they seemed 100% fine to me. In fact some were excellent. They did not slow the game in any way, never made a single mistake the entire time I was there, and were kind and professional as you would expect.

On the friday opening, I asked a floor what time they are going 24-7 on Friday. He said it was their goal, to open up at Noon on friday. He said there have been some delays with the whole WVA lottery licenses and they could not predict at this time, if they will be solid to open up at noon. He said it was best effort, and that I should call the poker room before making the drive. On a separate note, I noticed that in the back half of the poker room, the tables are still not completely ready. They are still missing shufflers and have chairs in shrink wrap. However I think they can get that taken care of quickly.

On the hands per hour, they seemed totally fine. I heard horror stories from trip reports a few nights ago saying there were less than 20 hands/hour. I at least, did not experience that at all last night. The hand rate was completely normal for a 1-2 game. I would say that the dealers also had a little bit of a fire under their butts and did not dilly dally between hands at all.

My personal opinion on the time rake, is that the $6/30min on 1-2 is most likely better than a max 6, but not as good as a max 4. So personally, I'll take it. One bad thing though, is that when a drunk guy would take a while to see that it was his turn, I would get tilted.

Like any game, I think it depends on the table youre sitting at. Save for 2 people, my 1/2 table didn't have a ton of action. Our fishy was a local who was out of his element and ended up rebuying 3 times. After he
left, he admitted to me outside while smoking that this was his first trip into a card room. From the crowd, it seems to be
a mix of locals and grinders- juicier than AC
rooms during the weekdays.

Regarding the wait, I got there around 6:20 and was able to make the first table cuts. Like another poster wrote, I think that if I had gotten there afterwards, I wouldve had to wait for a seat to open up.

Dealers I saw were fine- maybe a mistake or
two, but nothing horrible.

The time rake took some getting used to-
just had to change strategy to pick up more pots, rather than waiting around for absolute premiums all night.

All in all, a good night. I'll be back.

Does anyone know if straddles from the button are allowed? I know you can do it at Delaware Park and it's the nuts.

Thanks to Klez, HB, etc. for providing consistent and relevant information through the growing pains of CTR. Please continue to keep us informed of updates as you hear them.

Hey im new to the fourm. I live a 1/2 hour from charlestown and have been waiting for poker to come to WV. Ive been following this thread and reading up on everyones trips. I am thinking about going up tonight for the first time cause I cant wait any longer. So if I can get there by 6 20 6 30 I should be fine? i dont want to wait forever just for a seat at the table. Also my limit is 1/2 NL and im hesitent to try and play the 2/5 game

Without trying to sound like a woman...OMG! Can someone who is more experienced than I am at the message boards please open a new string for those who want to discuss their personal opinions of rake vs. time. It is what it is. If you dont like it keep going to AC or wherever you are used to going. Please quit dirtying the board with if you agree or not. I dont think the Poker room manager is checking this string to see if he/she should do a time charge or a rake. Get over it already.