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03-14-2013 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by loonybird
But that would push final table/table 3 to Atheist Tuesday and I want to observe that.

Seriously, is this a big deal? I would not have thought so.
Well the best thing to do is look at a damn Calendar when you schedule events like this. It just goes to show charlestown needs to really get their act together if they want to be taken seriously
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03-14-2013 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CarlosChadha
What was the name of that motel near CT that you mentioned tonight?

-Carlos
Towne House Motor Lodge
642 East Washington Street, Charles Town
(304) 725-8441 ‎
Sun-Thu = $54 Fri-Sat = $82
I usually stay at this budget motel. And I will be this week end.
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03-14-2013 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Qstick333
Would this be a big deal if it was Passover? Last year Borgota's Spring main event was during Passover - it still left a simple choice, play or don't play.
Based on population density and demographics, notsomuch.

FWIW, It'll keep me from participating and I don't give a crap about the religious aspect (but like Christmas, it's a day a lot of people spend with family).
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03-14-2013 , 12:58 PM
You guys are tiptoeing the race/religion line here. Be careful not to cross it.
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03-14-2013 , 04:19 PM
Thanks Lattimer!

Where were we before this started again?

GolfPro
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03-16-2013 , 08:38 AM
When will sit n goes start? Since they changed the Dailey tournaments to satalites Bowie would think they start offering sit n goes also, no?
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03-16-2013 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
It's a pretty big deal. Holiest day of the Christian calendar and all.
Gambling is frowned upon in the church anyways so who cares? Either you go to church or you go to the Casino it's your choice!! There are plenty of people that don't have the same beliefs you do why do you punish them by trying to move the tournament?
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03-16-2013 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Risgod
Gambling is frowned upon in the church anyways so who cares? Either you go to church or you go to the Casino it's your choice!! There are plenty of people that don't have the same beliefs you do why do you punish them by trying to move the tournament?
They aren't my beliefs. As stated before, it's not about religion, it's about maximizing turnout. (Reading comprehension FTW.)

Having day 2 on Easter will result in a smaller turnout for the tournament. Making it day 1B or even a 1C won't alienate anyone. Why are YOU punishing those with different beliefs than YOU?

(And the church does not frown upon gambling, BTW. In fact, many churches promote gambling (lotto, bingo, etc) as a way to raise funds.)
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03-16-2013 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
Having day 2 on Easter will result in a smaller turnout for the tournament. Making it day 1B or even a 1C won't alienate anyone. Why are YOU punishing those with different beliefs than YOU?

(And the church does not frown upon gambling, BTW. In fact, many churches promote gambling (lotto, bingo, etc) as a way to raise funds.)
I second that! I don't attend church but have family obligations on that day. I have been to CT on Easter before (with a time limit imposed by the boss) and don't think they lose much business. Many people look forward to going on holidays. The option of day 1c would solve the situation for some.
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03-17-2013 , 08:19 AM
No more posts referencing religion, please. Thank you.
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03-18-2013 , 11:52 AM
So this maybe a first...

Early this morning the floor closed 5/10/20 4 handed because they hadn't scheduled enough dealers (6+ 2/5, 1/2 tables were running). Myself and one of the other players who was in the game are among the room's best customers, each playing their bigger games easily 40+ hours/wk.

Unfortunately these types of short-sighted decisions are all too common around CT...
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03-18-2013 , 12:45 PM
That's pretty ****ing incredible. Unfortunately, that's not the first time. Probably happens once or twice a year. But even by CT standard, that's extremely lame. "Short-sighted" would be the most generous euphemism in human history. What ****ing morons. Who was the floor?
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03-18-2013 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by busticator
That's pretty ****ing incredible. Unfortunately, that's not the first time. Probably happens once or twice a year. But even by CT standard, that's extremely lame. "Short-sighted" would be the most generous euphemism in human history. What ****ing morons. Who was the floor?
<name removed>. We were told "It's a business decision."

Last edited by Lattimer; 03-18-2013 at 01:41 PM. Reason: removed name
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03-18-2013 , 01:41 PM
(7) Privacy of non-famous players and card room employees. Respect other players' and card room employees' privacy; do not use their names on the forum unless they have given permission to do so either explicitly on the forums or implicitly by becoming an authorized representative.
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03-18-2013 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GAMBR GAMBR
<name removed>. We were told "It's a business decision."
I've pretty much given up on trying to convince management of the utter stupidity of a lot of the **** that goes on in that room. I just bitch and moan here for purposes of detilting and venting, and maybe, just maybe, one of the CT poker gods will read some of the complaints on this thread and realize the truth. In this case, it would have been infinitely better to:

1) order dealers to work overtime;
2) order dealers on next shift to come in earlier;
3) have on-call dealers at all times;
4) have a floor/dual-rate sit the **** down in the ****ing box and deal.

If you really have to shut down a RUNNING table, obviously close the smallest game in the room. But that's like saying, if both of your balls itch too much, cut off the one that itches more (or in CT's case, less). In the real world, YOU DO NOT CUT OFF EITHER DUE TO ITCHING. I hate to use the lord's name in vain (and the reference to religion), but JESUS ****ING CHRIST.
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03-18-2013 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
(7) Privacy of non-famous players and card room employees. Respect other players' and card room employees' privacy; do not use their names on the forum unless they have given permission to do so either explicitly on the forums or implicitly by becoming an authorized representative.
I would like to have a public discussion with CT management regarding their policies, with our identities and positions fully disclosed. That is, I want a public debate on this forum with a CT spokesperson who is a high ranking manager, and we will have both of our identities disclosed.

If you know anyone on the CT staff who would be interested, please relay the message. Thanks.
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03-18-2013 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
(7) Privacy of non-famous players and card room employees. Respect other players' and card room employees' privacy; do not use their names on the forum unless they have given permission to do so either explicitly on the forums or implicitly by becoming an authorized representative.
Sorry, was hesitant to post the name and should have looked at the rules first.
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03-18-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by busticator
I would like to have a public discussion with CT management regarding their policies, with our identities and positions fully disclosed. That is, I want a public debate on this forum with a CT spokesperson who is a high ranking manager, and we will have both of our identities disclosed.

If you know anyone on the CT staff who would be interested, please relay the message. Thanks.
Just so you know, this isn't likely to happen.

When the room first opened, the asst. manager of the poker room at that time (he's long gone now) tried to get on here to rep the poker room, but couldn't get the approval of management higher up at CT.


--klez
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03-18-2013 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by busticator
I would like to have a public discussion with CT management regarding their policies, with our identities and positions fully disclosed. That is, I want a public debate on this forum with a CT spokesperson who is a high ranking manager, and we will have both of our identities disclosed.

If you know anyone on the CT staff who would be interested, please relay the message. Thanks.
What did the poker room's management say when you approached in person? The Chuck doesn't have an authorized room representative on 2+2. I'd be very surprised if management were willing to engage you here given your tone in your other posts.
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03-18-2013 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by busticator

If you really have to shut down a RUNNING table, obviously close the smallest game in the room. But that's like saying, if both of your balls itch too much, cut off the one that itches more (or in CT's case, less). In the real world, YOU DO NOT CUT OFF EITHER DUE TO ITCHING. I hate to use the lord's name in vain (and the reference to religion), but JESUS ****ING CHRIST.
Just remember that the smaller games in the room generate more money for the casino than the larger games. That is the reason to play a higher stake because over time you will be paying less rake over time. So the idea of shutting down a lower level game to run a higher game does not make business sense. Now I would have bet there was room to condense a lower level game to make sure all tables were full to free up that table/dealer slot and that isnt done quite enough to keep things moving. They floor always waits for the players to complain before condensing tables.
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03-18-2013 , 09:33 PM
For the most part, casinos hate poker rooms. They can make far more money per square foot filling it with video games. Hollywood CT is doing all it can to eek a profit out of this "wasted space" (which is why we get no comps and overall poor treatment.)

From a business standpoint, they don't care if you play 100 hrs a week, unless u come with a partner who is playing slots/table games (preferably slots). As noted before, they are making less off you than they are 3/6 limit. If it were up to them, every table would be a fast moving, low stakes hold'em variant that is raked per hand.

A poker room is generally not much more than a lure or marketing tool. They don't really want the poker player, they want the spouse/partner of that poker player. If they lose all their poker players to MD live or another casino, I don't think they'll really care too much. We are the bottom feeders of their closed ecological system.
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03-18-2013 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
What did the poker room's management say when you approached in person? The Chuck doesn't have an authorized room representative on 2+2. I'd be very surprised if management were willing to engage you here given your tone in your other posts.
I only recently discovered this thread. I haven't talked to management about appointing an official representative to post responses here. However, I haven't really approached management about any of their policies in a long time.

My tone probably isn't as much of an issue as the substance of my opinions. I'm perfectly capable of having a civil discourse on any number of topics, including CT's policies. In any case, I don't think I've said anything that is even remotely inaccurate. I guess some of my analogies are a little crude, but I can try to be more poetic if it would help.

I realize that the probability of CT giving us a rep here is about as likely as me hitting the bad beat jackpot at a PLO table. Maybe someone will post responses anonymously. Who knows. It was more of a challenge to them, or just a fantasy, or whatever.
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03-18-2013 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hokiefan01
Just remember that the smaller games in the room generate more money for the casino than the larger games. That is the reason to play a higher stake because over time you will be paying less rake over time. So the idea of shutting down a lower level game to run a higher game does not make business sense. Now I would have bet there was room to condense a lower level game to make sure all tables were full to free up that table/dealer slot and that isnt done quite enough to keep things moving. They floor always waits for the players to complain before condensing tables.
I think that on a per-player basis, people who play bigger games generate more income for the casino, on average. For example, if you play 5/10 NL or 5/5 PLO 40 hours/week, you pay about 30K a year in rake alone ($14/hour times 40 hours times 52 weeks = $29,120). On average, I would estimate that a lot of the people that play 5/10 and 5/5 on a regular basis pay 10K-50K per year PER PLAYER just in rake. This isn't some money that can be explained as opportunity cost, transaction cost, part of gas money, etc. No, this is money that is taken straight out of the players' rolls.

But that's not even the really important part, if you're considering how to treat players based on the stakes of the games they play in the poker room. People who play in bigger games bring a lot of money to the casino and quite a high percentage of them spend a lot of time in the pit. I think the industry calls this "crossover action." I obviously don't have any real data, but I would guess that the crossover action of a 5/10 or 5/5 player vs that of a 1/2 player wouldn't even be close, on average.

There are many other reasons I can think of, but those two are probably the most significant. In short, people who bring more money to a casino spend more money in the establishment. That's why all the rooms I've played in give preferential treatment to people who play in bigger games. I just can't think of an exception, other than CT, obviously. Can anyone? It's not that places like the Borgata, Aria and Bellagio are run by people who don't understand basic economics, human nature or common sense. It's a very simple principle: on average, people with more money spend more money than those who have less.

In any case, the point I was trying to make with the testicular analogy was that no running game should ever be closed due to a shortage of dealers.

Last edited by busticator; 03-18-2013 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Added last sentence.
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03-18-2013 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by King Fish
For the most part, casinos hate poker rooms. They can make far more money per square foot filling it with video games. Hollywood CT is doing all it can to eek a profit out of this "wasted space" (which is why we get no comps and overall poor treatment.)

From a business standpoint, they don't care if you play 100 hrs a week, unless u come with a partner who is playing slots/table games (preferably slots). As noted before, they are making less off you than they are 3/6 limit. If it were up to them, every table would be a fast moving, low stakes hold'em variant that is raked per hand.

A poker room is generally not much more than a lure or marketing tool. They don't really want the poker player, they want the spouse/partner of that poker player. If they lose all their poker players to MD live or another casino, I don't think they'll really care too much. We are the bottom feeders of their closed ecological system.
The reason why we get no comps and poor treatment is mostly because of monopoly. CT treats all of its customers pretty badly, not just poker players. Why do you think they spent tens of millions of dollars campaigning against Prop 7?

The link below has some good points by Sklansky:

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...mmon-error.php
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03-19-2013 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GAMBR GAMBR
Sorry, was hesitant to post the name and should have looked at the rules first.
My bad for asking. I didn't know about the privacy rule, either. Makes sense though.
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