FYI PLO went 7.5 hours and 9 players are returning today to complete it. Thanks

Interesting to know Mike and good seeing you again last night. The PLOers slowed down dramatically once they got down to the bubble, at one point it looked like it was caught up to the NL (great job obliterating the guarantee on the NL also!)

As a general praise, the dealers as a whole, as well as floor staff do a great job, do their best to keep the game moving, and also seem to earnestly give their best effort.

As a separate aside, after busting from the PLO tourney (after reg period) and going to the front desk to reg for a cash game, when I ask if any PLO cash games are running, i don't need to be told (liek I'm askign a stupid question), no but there's a plo tourney running..LDO

Great job overall and wish i was playing the $550 right now. Question on main and tourneys in general, can an alternate be named int he case a player could not play after starting ?

Well it dont matter what the add on is for or what the original 30 in rake goes to .The fact of the matter is NOBODY can outrun 25 percent juice.I actually final tabled this event but im never playing it again just bc you cannot win in the longrun no matter how good you play !! Its simple math and we as poker players should realize this and put a stop to this robbery!

So you think every poker players ROI is <25% in live mtts? Yeah I'm sure NOBODY wins

Anyone down there for the FPC:

What cash games are going off? I don't want to be short-changed if there are some big games going.

plenty of 2/5 and 5/10.. someone looking to play HU 5/10 lol.. and i think 10/25 will prob run this weekend.. strike or mike can prob give a more definitive answer.

chopped the $550..thought the tournament was pretty well run for the most part, really like the room

how many runners did they get for the 550? How many people chopped? Playing the 1100?

162, 7way, obv

I heard the 230 was like 7bb avg at the final table. Is that how the 550 was too?

I think you make a legitimate point sharky, 25% rake (essentially that's what it is when you include the dealer add-on) is completely ridic, without a doubt. However, I believe that many players can overcome 25% rake because if you run a 50% ROI online, you will certainly be profitable and be able to run at least a 35% ROI live as the rake online is 10% and you're paying 15% more so instead of running 50% you will be around 35%.

But the thing is, the live players in the $100-$250 buy in events are so bad that I am sure running a 50% ROI is not very difficult in the long run, even with the 25% rake. And as you move up in stakes live, the rake drops as you pointed out, so it should even out as the players are going to be better. But don't get me wrong, I agree 100% that 25% rake is awful, but it's def beatable and to say nobody can outrun a 25% rake in these lower limit live donkaments is just not true.

cl had about 35bb when we agreed to chop

Question for Mike/LordStrife:

This add-on goes to the staff, right? Same as a post-tourney tip would? Would it then be fair/acceptable for the players who cash to either not tip if they made the minimum or tip less if they made a significant profit because of the add-on?

Just wondering. I have a personal rule I follow when I cash in a tournament (5% of total profit unless I receive superior or awful service) so it won't affect me.

dozer: That's my understanding, and the purpose of the add-on is to stop stiffers, particularly at the end and make sure dealers/staff are taken care of.. and I'm sure if you hit big and give a little extra they'd appreciate. I like your personal rule.

Planning to play the main today, anyone else playing today??

There's a chance I might be there tonight for cash games. Anyone else?

I pretty much use the same rule when tipping, and when there are dealer add ons I pretty much subtract that from whatever my normal tip would have been. So if I was going to tip $60 and there was a $10 dealer add on I will give them $50 ($60-$10 dealer add on I already gave). I also use the 5% rule as a base and adjust up or down from there based on service, payout etc. If I min cash and basically win my money back I don't give much if there was already a dealer add on.

What time are you going? I will be grinding my usual MTT schedule online tonight, but if I go busto in all my MTT's early I will def head over to the Isle later tonight for some cash games.

Not making it. Hot wife > Poker

LOL, I like your thinking. I'm prob not making it over there either, got a 100+BB stack in the 15k guarantee on Full Tilt, probably (hopefully) going to be a long night online.

Mike,
I played in the $225. PLO last Tuesday night. It was very well run even through the Hold'em event was still going on. But you need more starting chips, maybe 10K. Thanks for your answer. Is the 1 hour protection of the main 4/8 Omaha 8 game, after the must table opens or after the third table opens? The last time I was at the Orleans in Las Vegas, they has 4 must more tables going at all times feeding downward to the main game. Could you find out how and why they can make it work? I will not play in the main game for 4 or 5 hours and have it break at 4 O'Clock when the must more is off. Thanks

I played last night 10/20 Om8 which to my surprise had a lot of action. After it broke I played the $4/$8 Om8 game (2 tables running) and both tables were main games meaning no must move.

I arrived at the $4/$8 Om8 game (table 14 - other was table 15) as the 8th player. It lasted less than a half hour (at around midnight) before breaking when I got up leaving 4 players remaining. It looked like table 15 was full so some of the 4 remaining players I would assume got on the newly created list.

I don't know which table (14? or 15?) would of been the main game, but no must move. I agree with you ausales that there always needs to be multiple must move tables feeding only ONE main game.

I think the problem however for the house stems from finding the personal to administer the must move list, especially on a busy packed Sat night. They were so busy last night (every table was filled) at 9pm when I arrived that one of the experienced brushes was so busy, I did not see her move from her seat at the mic during the 1st hour I was on a wait list.

They had over 60 names on SNG lists last night but no tables to run them until after 10pm when the big tournament stopped for the day. I can imagine lot's of SNG players on the lists left before calling down the SNG lists since I heard "cancel" and "who wants a seat... only 2 left" for SNGs when they finally started the SNGs.

Teddy
PS - BTW Mike, I've seen a "M Smith..." winning the Om8 tourney at Hard Rock last week. I hope that was you? If so congrads!

For the must move they should just leave the sheet with the names on it on the must move game, when a seat is open on the main game the floor should be notified and go to the table and look at the sheet. The way they do it the brush has to and they keep the list up front, so IMO if the list was left on the table then either the floor or brush can move them, even the dealer can help out.

Yesterday when I arrived at about 2pm, only 1 Om8 $4/$8 game going and I was #26 on the wait list . There were several tables/dealers available as they opened new NLH games during the 3+ hours it took for me to get a seat in the 1 $4/$8 Om8 game. What's up with that? I can understand no must move tables on a busy Sat but not to open more with such a huge list was troubling for me and many of the other Om8 players I spoke with on the wait list.

When I asked a brush, "why not open a 2nd or even a 3rd game of $4/$8 Om8" the brush replied something like, "that's the way 'He' (floor mgr mentioned by 1st name) wants to do it today". After the $10/$20 Om8 game did not go (only 5 of us locked up seats), I asked a floor person, "can we start a $4/$8 at this table instead?"; reply something like, "no, that's the way 'He' (floor mgr mentioned by 1st name) wants to do it today".

Teddy

hey all,
havent played at the isle yet but will be today in their
230 15k gtd tourney

what are they structures like do they become super short non player friendly late or no?

any advice or comments would be great.
floor said its 15k chips (with dealer addon)
also i think he said 30 min levels and said it should go about 10 hrs +
seemed pretty intent on it them having "the best structure in the peninsula"

thanks

Mike Smith,

I been going to the isles for years now (Play 4-5 times/ week) and I only have 1 compain which is the bad beat. Why not break the bad beat into between limit and no limit? Therefore, there would be a bad beat for the limit players and 1 for the NL players. Most of the bad beats that are hit happen on the limit tables because on the limit tables it does not cost the players that much to see a flop with, for example; 23suited. As opposed to a no limit table where it is not cheap to see a flop with 23suited when someone raises to $60 preflop. Why would I as a NL player want to have the same reward for much higher risk compared to a limit player that has the same reward for lesser risk? Please think about this unfairness or have the NL tables decide if they want to contribute to the bad beat. Also, how about raising the mini bad beat to 20 percent? Thank you for your time.

One other thing I forgot to mention, would it be possible to add an 11th chair to a table (I know it would be a little tight but I think some of the players at the table might be more accomadating than you think) when it gets really late (4am-7am) and no players coming in or leaving? I think it would help losing players to other casino venues like the hardrock. As I have played every weekend since July 1st and there are always players left out when tables break up.