I busted 27th, I would say that there was around 170+ including alternates.

Edit: I asked the floor if he was gonna cap the field, and he said "he doesnt cap anything!"

Anybody play in the Tuesday night tournament? Was curious to see how many players they normally get.

Also what is the blind structure for the tournaments?

Thanks

Horrible.
50-100
100-200
200-400

important to note the lack of antes in the tournament essentially cancels out the accelerated blinds if you ask me

antes don't start at most tournaments until level four where it's usually 100-200 with a $25 ante. Is level 4 here $300-$600. How is that canceled out? what is the starting stack? Maybe if it's more than 10,000.

Why don't they just use the Harrah's AC structure? Good lord this place seems to stumble over every little thing.

Not necessarily.
Harrah's Chester -- No ante
Starting Stack: 10,000 chips or for a dealer bonus of an extra $5, 12,000 chips
Levels:
50-100
100-200
200-400

Harrah's AC -- Also no antes
Starting Stack: 10,000 chips
Levels:
50-100
100-200
150-300
200-400

PA wants to get you at the door quicker or, at least to the cash games, where they can also charge a higher rake than NJ.

Anyone know what the BBJ is up to now? Was thinking of going over and hitting it tomorrow afternoon

This conclusion seems a little over the top. At Chester, with a 12K stack, you have enough for 20 orbits at Level 3. At AC, with a 10K stack, you have enough for 22 orbits. The difference is hardly enough to have any meaningful impact on playing strategy. It's definitely not enough to justify a charge that Chester is trying bust people out of the game within the first 60 minutes.

OK.
Let me put it another way.
Can you name another poker room on the planet that gives you a worse structure than Harrah's Chester 200-400 at the third level for roughly a $100 buy-in?

MGM Grand, Las Vegas (http://www.allvegaspoker.com/room_26.html):

Buy-in = $80+$20
Starting Stack = 3000
Level 3 Blinds = 100/200
M or No. of Orbits at Level 3 (as judged against starting stack) = 10.

Or consider Excalibur, Las Vegas (http://www.allvegaspoker.com/room_65.html)

Buy-in = $50+$10
Starting Stack = 4000
Level 3 Blinds = 300/600
M or No. of Orbits at Level 3 = 4.4

Stop complaining. Adjust your strategy to the structure.

i was about to say the same thing! i just got back from vegas. seems like the new thing. super turbos. 3k starting stacks. 15 minute levels. basically same structure. average tourney length... 2 hours!!! absolutely ridiculous. everyone starts out waiting for their all-in opportunity.

Played my first tourney there since the BBJ hit. They had 8 tables for the tourney and had enough dealers to seat them all. Vast improvement! I didn't mind nine seats at the table, I enjoyed the extra elbow room.

I respectfully think you have the whole concept backwards.
Why should I (or any other player, for that matter) adjust (my) strategy to the structure?
To me, the logical step is to refuse to accept less play for my hard-earned money by voting with my feet and simply playing somewhere else.
It sounds like 85chickasaw is not happy with getting less, either.
At Borgata (no, i'm not an employee), the daily $100+$20 tourneys start with 200 big blinds and by Level 3, with a starting stack remaining, I have an M of 33.33.
No matter how you spin it, less is never more.

you are correct, i don't like it. and i agree with you completely. you don't need to adjust your strategy. that's like saying you need to adjust your game if you get sat at a tough table when you could very simply move to a juicy table right next to it. even more so i would argue. my feet will vote with you.

Uhm, every single casino in Southern California. They typically have the same blind structure with SHORTER levels...I think 15 minutes levels at some of them.

I would have to respectfully disagree. Any semi professional (or at least experienced) player constantly adjusts his or her strategy based on the type of tourney, cash game, etc they're in.

i see your point. every game you adjust. every hand even. but isn't there a limit? what if the tourney had the same buy-in, but started you with 1000 in chips and the first blind level was 100-200? would you still play? or would you go somewhere else where there was a structure more to your liking? or even more suitable to your game?

the example i lived in vegas were these 2 hour tourneys. i'm not a great tourney player anyway, but these were pure luck. it was literally nothing but all-ins. and i would say that almost every case that was the correct move. just not enough chips to play with. just had to be lucky to either win your coin flips or pick up enough blinds to survive when you eventually lost your coin flip.

The games you played in Las Vegas are not comparable to Chester's structure. In the examples that I listed, players entering Level 3 at the MGM Grand tourny with their starting stacks are only 10 orbits deep. At Excalibur, they're only 4 orbits deep. In contrast, at Chester, they are 20 orbits deep. That's more than enough to keep Level 3 at Chester from being a shove-fest.

I agree with you that, at some point, a MTT structure may be so fast that it's not worth playing. IMHO, it's hard to say that about Harrahs Chester, especially when the difference between its structure and the one at Harrahs AC is so slight. I really don't see how any PA-based would decide to drive the 65 miles necessary to get to AC just so that they can be 22 orbits deep entering Level 3 instead of 20 orbits deep.

They're actually not all that "lucky"... much less so than a typical MTT with over say...1000 players. There is absolutely certain strategies to take in "turbo" tourneys, primarily using fold equity, that actually makes you use EV more so than in regular tourneys. Also, knowing who your up against (type of player) in every hand is crucial for success in those type of tourneys, with a large portion of your bb wins coming from stealing, non showdown winnings, etc.

i see your point. 22 orbits vs 20 is slight. there will always be a "limit" somewhere, but for most, it's probably not this.

the thing about these super turbos, is that it forces everyone to commit to shoving and pretty much makes any pair or "big" cards shove-able. no need to do any icm calculations... they all qualify. just hope you don't run into AA or KK when you shove AK.

Not really. Like I said, you really need to be a multi level thinker in order to have continued success in these things. You need to know who you're up against when shoving, etc. So many things come to mind but it's really not as simple as you're making it out to be. For example, shoving 88 wouldn't always be the right move against certain players, in certain positions, etc.

I see what you're saying and there may not be a considerable difference between AC Harrah's tournaments and Harrah's Chester. But, in Vegas, there's also an "all in" or fold tournament if you really want to go "turbo". The bigger issue is that at the Borgata, you're at 100-200 at level 3 with 10,000 starting stacks and yes, it's further away. They are still at 100-200 at level four with 25.00 antes. At Delaware Park, they've mimicked the structure of the Borgata and they are closer than Atlantic City for some Philadelphia players.

But, the real threat is Ari at Parx, who is a very proactive manager. Parx will be starting tournaments in May. What kind of structure do you think that Parx will institute? Harrah's has done a nice job getting some of the market that they lost to Parx back. In fact I really enjoyed my last visit to Chester. But I doubt seriously that Parx tournaments will be anything like as fast as the structure at Harrah's Chester. Parx is not offering a 60 hour play 50,000 freeroll in May, the day before they kick off tournaments for nothing.

way to much teaching itt.. please stop, thnx

I just took a look at the up coming circuit schedule. All NLH! AAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!